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For what it's worth, once upon a time I pushed this agenda on Bitcointalk. =
 I'd say early 2011 or so.  The response I got was so strong and unanimous =
in favor of this point being absolutely non-negotiable that if the money su=
pply were anything other than fixed, Bitcoin may as well be pretend e-dolla=
rs.  I was not just persuaded against it, I was put in my place.

I believe that if there ever becomes a consensus that Bitcoin's inflation p=
arameters were a show-stopper for the Bitcoin economy, that the power to co=
rrect it lies with merchants, who would vote for changing the rules.  I bel=
ieve they would do this not by changing Bitcoin, but by accepting, in paral=
lel, a brand new alt coin that reflects the consensus as to how the inflati=
on should be.  I believe such an alt coin would have its genesis at around =
the time that consensus moved toward accepting inflation, rather than adopt=
ing the seignorage of some other alt coin out there today.

Mike/Casascius


From: Ryan Carboni [mailto:ryan.jc.pc@gmail.com]
Sent: Monday, December 09, 2013 3:24 PM
To: apoelstra@wpsoftware.net
Cc: bitcoin-development@lists.sourceforge.net
Subject: Re: [Bitcoin-development] Monetary Authority for Bitcoin

It is not a violation of the trust of those holding the currency. Many peop=
le bought Bitcoin in the hopes that it's value in the relation of other cur=
rencies will increase, not because there's a fixed money supply. The majori=
ty of people using Bitcoin as a currency in exchange for real goods are usi=
ng the exchanges.

 My proposal will still allow for 4.9% semi-weekly variations in the price =
of Bitcoin, allowing for it to appreciate 11,800% per year.

On Mon, Dec 9, 2013 at 2:11 PM, Andrew Poelstra <asp11@sfu.ca<mailto:asp11@=
sfu.ca>> wrote:
On Mon, Dec 09, 2013 at 02:01:07PM -0800, Ryan Carboni wrote:
> This is no doubt probably a very controversial Bitcoin Improvement Propos=
al
> and is also a very rough draft of one.
>
Ryan, you can stop there already because any change to the inflation
formula (supposing such a thing is even possible, which it's not)
would be a violation of the trust of those holding the currency, who
obtained it while believing that its inflation algorithm would not
change.

--
Andrew Poelstra
Email: apoelstra at wpsoftware.net<http://wpsoftware.net>
Web:   http://www.wpsoftware.net/andrew

"If they had taught a class on how to be the kind of citizen Dick Cheney
 worries about, I would have finished high school."   --Edward Snowden


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it&#8217;s worth, once upon a time I pushed this agenda on Bitcointalk.&nbs=
p; I&#8217;d say early 2011 or so.&nbsp; The response I got was so strong a=
nd unanimous in favor of this point being absolutely non-negotiable that if=
 the money supply were anything other than fixed, Bitcoin may as well be pr=
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11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p><=
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"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'>I believe that if there ever becomes =
a consensus that Bitcoin&#8217;s inflation parameters were a show-stopper f=
or the Bitcoin economy, that the power to correct it lies with merchants, w=
ho would vote for changing the rules.&nbsp; I believe they would do this no=
t by changing Bitcoin, but by accepting, in parallel, a brand new alt coin =
that reflects the consensus as to how the inflation should be.&nbsp; I beli=
eve such an alt coin would have its genesis at around the time that consens=
us moved toward accepting inflation, rather than adopting the seignorage of=
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rmal><span style=3D'font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";col=
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:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif"'> Ryan Carboni [mailto:ryan.jc.pc=
@gmail.com] <br><b>Sent:</b> Monday, December 09, 2013 3:24 PM<br><b>To:</b=
> apoelstra@wpsoftware.net<br><b>Cc:</b> bitcoin-development@lists.sourcefo=
rge.net<br><b>Subject:</b> Re: [Bitcoin-development] Monetary Authority for=
 Bitcoin<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=3DMsoNormal style=3D'margin-left:.5i=
n'><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></p><div><p class=3DMsoNormal style=3D'margin-left:.5in=
'>It is not a violation of the trust of those holding the currency. Many pe=
ople bought Bitcoin in the hopes that it's value in the relation of other c=
urrencies will increase, not because there's a fixed money supply. The majo=
rity of people using Bitcoin as a currency in exchange for real goods are u=
sing the exchanges.<o:p></o:p></p><div><p class=3DMsoNormal style=3D'margin=
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op there already because any change to the inflation<br>formula (supposing =
such a thing is even possible, which it's not)<br>would be a violation of t=
he trust of those holding the currency, who<br>obtained it while believing =
that its inflation algorithm would not<br>change.<br><span style=3D'color:#=
888888'><br><span class=3Dhoenzb>--</span><br><span class=3Dhoenzb>Andrew P=
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