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> There has not been any actual objections to the nominees nor have there
> been any suggestions on choosing a subset of them since my last email.
> As such, there is rough consensus on adding Kanzure, Murch, Jonatack,
> Ruben, and Roasbeef as BIP editors, and they will be added on Monday
> April 22nd.
ACK.
Beyond that, I'll stick to my mail of the 1st April and I won't comment
further on the subject of nominating new BIP editors.
If anyone has thoughts on how to improve the BIP process for the _future_,
I think real-or-random started a new thread called "Time for an update to
BIP2?".
Anyone can express themselves there and then start to champion a new BIP of
type "process".
Best,
Antoine
Le dim. 21 avr. 2024 =C3=A0 20:08, 'Ava Chow' via Bitcoin Development Maili=
ng
List <bitcoindev@googlegroups.com> a =C3=A9crit :
> On 04/21/2024 01:57 PM, Michael Folkson wrote:
> > So once a BIP number is allocated (or before) the BIP author can write
> > whatever they like on that BIP? Including false and misleading
> > statements? And the BIP editors have to merge it as long as it meets
> > formatting requirements?
>
> I did not say that they can write anything, do not put words in my
> mouth. Modifications to a BIP are held to the same standard as when it
> is initially proposed. This standard is largely about formatting, but
> also about keeping BIPs as actual technical specifications. So long as
> the BIP after those modifications meet those requirements, then BIP
> editors should merge them.
>
> > A misleading statement like "This soft fork will definitely activate
> > at block X as it has been merged into implementation Y. It hasn't been
> > merged into Bitcoin Core yet but Bitcoin Core will merge the soft fork
> > after the activation"
>
> BIPs are specifications. They are not blog posts. They are not the place
> for opining about whether or not something will activate. Such
> statements would be off topic for a BIP and do not meet the standard for
> merging, so no, I do not think that should be merged, and I do not think
> any of the proposed BIP editors would merge such a PR.
>
> >
> > This is a step change from before. If we aren't relying on *any*
> > judgment then there might as well be 100 BIP editors. Because the
> > editors aren't doing anything, each BIP author (or champion) has total
> > license to write whatever they like on their BIP.
> >
> >> They are not arbiters of what is activated on Bitcoin. They are not
> gatekeepers of soft forks.
> >
> > Of course not. The BIP editors do not decide what is activated on
> > Bitcoin. But they are gatekeepers on ensuring BIPs are high quality
> > and don't include false and misleading statements. Because false and
> > misleading statements can impact the evolution of an activation
> > process.
> >
> > I tried. Based on your perspective all we need is one malicious BIP
> > author (or champion) and they'll make the entire BIP process a joke
> > and the BIP editors won't be able to do anything.
>
> You are being deliberately obtuse and strawmanning. I did not say that
> the BIP editors won't be able to do anything; I did not say that that a
> BIP author can put whatever they want once they get a BIP number.
>
> I suggest that you read the BIP process thread split from this one for
> opinions on how to refine the BIPs process to make it clearer as to what
> BIP editors should be merging.
>
> Frankly, I don't understand what it is your are arguing for or trying to
> achieve. You make absurd claims, use strawman arguments, and throw out
> whataboutisms. This all seems to me to be concern trolling, and as such,
> I see no reason to continue responding to you.
>
> Ava
>
> >
> > Michael
> >
> >
> >
> > On Sun, Apr 21, 2024 at 5:39=E2=80=AFPM Ava Chow <lists@achow101.com> w=
rote:
> >>
> >> You are misunderstanding the role of BIP editors. They are not arbiter=
s
> >> of what is activated on Bitcoin. They are not gatekeepers of soft fork=
s.
> >> If a BIP author proposes or agrees with a change to their BIP and thos=
e
> >> changes are formatted correctly, it is not the BIP editors' rights nor
> >> responsibilities to refuse to merge that change. As with Bitcoin Core
> >> maintainers, BIP editing is a largely janitorial role.
> >>
> >> Just because something is a BIP does not mean it is a good idea. Just
> >> because a BIP specifying a fork contains deployment parameters does no=
t
> >> mean it will actually be deployed. There are several BIPs for both har=
d
> >> and soft forks that are rejected or withdrawn that have deployment
> >> parameters.
> >>
> >> Furthermore, for myself, I would actually prefer that contentious soft
> >> forks for which some people are legitimately attempting to activate ha=
ve
> >> their deployment parameters be specified in a/the BIP. Having competin=
g
> >> activation parameters in different BIPs is preferable over the
> >> documentation being spread around in many different places. It makes i=
t
> >> much easier for implementations to inform users what they've actually
> >> implemented so that users can make a more informed decision.
> >>
> >> On 04/21/2024 07:43 AM, Michael Folkson wrote:
> >>> Ava
> >>>
> >>> Thanks for the detailed response, I appreciate the insight.
> >>>
> >>>>> I'm even more concerned about future soft fork activation attempts.
> >>>>> These don't necessarily need to be attempted via a Bitcoin Core
> merged
> >>>>> pull request hence the BIPs repo could be a key source of informati=
on
> >>>>> and guidance on this.
> >>>
> >>>> This concern doesn't make any sense. There are already multiple soft
> and
> >>>> hard fork BIPs that are not active nor good ideas. A BIP does not ne=
ed
> >>>> to be a good idea.
> >>>
> >>> I would hope that a contentious soft fork and activation params for
> >>> that contentious soft fork would not be merged into the Bitcoin Core
> >>> codebase and up until now it hasn't been. I would hope all the Bitcoi=
n
> >>> Core maintainers understand that even if they personally think a soft
> >>> fork is a good idea (apparently there is nothing to stop them merging
> >>> it without discussing it with the other maintainers) that they
> >>> shouldn't independently merge it if it is contentious.
> >>>
> >>> Similarly I would hope that all BIP editors would be careful about
> >>> what information gets merged around soft fork activation *attempts*
> >>> whether that be activation details on a particular soft fork BIP or o=
n
> >>> a separate activation BIP. With Taproot there were very strong
> >>> disagreements over activation parameters for a non-contentious soft
> >>> fork. It would be much messier for a contentious soft fork activation
> >>> attempt. I'm not sure all these new BIP editors understand that or
> >>> would perhaps even agree with that. For example Laolu is listed as a
> >>> supporter of a CTV activation attempt back in 2022 [0] which was
> >>> clearly contentious. That doesn't inspire me with confidence that as
> >>> soon as he is a BIP editor he won't start merging details on
> >>> contentious soft fork activation attempts in BIPs and merging that
> >>> soft fork in say btcd. He would need to be removed as a BIP editor if
> >>> he were to do something like that.
> >>>
> >>> Thanks
> >>> Michael
> >>>
> >>> [0]: https://utxos.org/signals/
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>
> >>> On Sun, Apr 21, 2024 at 12:05=E2=80=AFAM Ava Chow <lists@achow101.com=
> wrote:
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>> On 04/20/2024 06:21 PM, Michael Folkson wrote:
> >>>>> It is inevitable there will be a "revert war" unless they all have =
to
> >>>>> agree on merge decisions or communicate prior to merging. It is jus=
t
> a
> >>>>> matter of time. Does for example Ordinal Numbers get a BIP number? =
I
> >>>>> suspect all the new BIP editors won't agree on that.
> >>>>
> >>>> Why do you think that a revert war is inevitable?
> >>>>
> >>>> The Bitcoin Core repo operates in a similar way - the maintainers ar=
e
> >>>> independent and work autonomously. The maintainers do not have to
> agree
> >>>> on merge decisions nor do they communicate prior to merging. If
> there's
> >>>> disagreement about a merge decision, we talk to each other about it
> like
> >>>> adults and come to a mutually agreeable resolution. I don't think
> >>>> there's ever been a revert war in the history of Bitcoin.
> >>>>
> >>>> I would expect that when there is something that is likely to be
> >>>> controversial or is ambiguous that it should be a BIP that they woul=
d
> >>>> then talk to each other about it. It doesn't have to be all or
> nothing -
> >>>> they can do most work without communicating, but when there's
> questions
> >>>> or ambiguity, then they communicate.
> >>>>
> >>>>> Who is to blame in a "revert war" if each editor is free to merge
> >>>>> whatever pull request they like? The editor who merged it? Why shou=
ld
> >>>>> they be removed as an editor for merging a pull request when they
> find
> >>>>> out later a different editor disagreed with that merge decision and
> >>>>> wants to revert the merge?
> >>>>
> >>>> A revert war would be someone merging a PR that reverts another, the=
n
> >>>> someone else (opening then) merging a PR that reverts that, and it
> goes
> >>>> back and forth. It would not be limited to PRs only. This would like=
ly
> >>>> be super obvious too that they are controversially merging things as=
I
> >>>> would be surprised if other BIP editors didn't comment on any of tho=
se
> >>>> actions, besides the fact that many people do also watch the BIPs
> repo.
> >>>> Regardless, the blame is on those who are doing the reverting, and
> would
> >>>> be both sides.
> >>>>
> >>>>> I'm even more concerned about future soft fork activation attempts.
> >>>>> These don't necessarily need to be attempted via a Bitcoin Core
> merged
> >>>>> pull request hence the BIPs repo could be a key source of informati=
on
> >>>>> and guidance on this.
> >>>>
> >>>> This concern doesn't make any sense. There are already multiple soft
> and
> >>>> hard fork BIPs that are not active nor good ideas. A BIP does not ne=
ed
> >>>> to be a good idea.
> >>>>
> >>>>> I've seen Wladimir is contributing again to Core. Is there a plan t=
o
> >>>>> give him commit access again?
> >>>>
> >>>> It would have to be through the typical maintainer process, although=
I
> >>>> doubt that he even wants it. But that's completely orthogonal to the
> >>>> BIPs repo discussion.
> >>>>
> >>>>> I'd be more comfortable with him
> >>>>> overseeing things in the various repos under the Bitcoin Core
> >>>>> (/bitcoin) GitHub org as it sounds like you don't really care if th=
e
> >>>>> BIPs repo degenerates into a free for all.
> >>>>
> >>>> I don't understand why you assume that.
> >>>>
> >>>> I've said this before, but if I see a revert war going on in the BIP=
s
> >>>> repo, I will remove those involved immediately and make a thread on
> the
> >>>> list to discuss what to do about them. But I doubt that's a scenario
> >>>> that will actually come to pass.
> >>>>
> >>>> Ava
> >>>>
> >>>>>
> >>>>> Thanks
> >>>>> Michael
> >>>>>
> >>>>> On Sat, Apr 20, 2024 at 10:15=E2=80=AFPM 'Ava Chow' via Bitcoin Dev=
elopment
> >>>>> Mailing List <bitcoindev@googlegroups.com> wrote:
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>> On 04/20/2024 04:46 PM, Steve Lee wrote:
> >>>>>>> Wasn't there evidence provided that Kanzure does not want this
> >>>>>>> responsibility without being paid?
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>> I am not aware of that, and it hasn't come up when I've talked to
> him
> >>>>>> about being a BIPs editor.
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>>> I'm confused by this process that we don't even ask the people if
> they
> >>>>>>> want the responsibility? I think only Laolu has chimed in to
> commit to it?
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>> Personally, I've spoken to all 5 privately and they've all
> confirmed to
> >>>>>> me that they are willing to be BIPs editors. Jonatack[1] and
> Murch[2]
> >>>>>> have also replied to this thread about this.
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>> Ava
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>> [1]:
> >>>>>>
> https://gnusha.org/pi/bitcoindev/83b69000-ca1e-4a58-90b5-114cb09ac0bbn@go=
oglegroups.com/
> >>>>>> [2]:
> >>>>>>
> https://gnusha.org/pi/bitcoindev/53a0015c-b76a-441a-920b-32bd88d5e778@mur=
ch.one/
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>> On Sat, Apr 20, 2024 at 12:30=E2=80=AFPM 'Ava Chow' via Bitcoin D=
evelopment
> >>>>>>> Mailing List <bitcoindev@googlegroups.com
> >>>>>>> <mailto:bitcoindev@googlegroups.com>> wrote:
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>> Since we're now past the deadline of April 19th, I'd like
> to inform
> >>>>>>> everyone of what will happen on Monday.
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>> There has not been any actual objections to the nominees
> nor have there
> >>>>>>> been any suggestions on choosing a subset of them since my
> last email.
> >>>>>>> As such, there is rough consensus on adding Kanzure, Murch=
,
> Jonatack,
> >>>>>>> Ruben, and Roasbeef as BIP editors, and they will be added
> on Monday
> >>>>>>> April 22nd.
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>> Ava
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>> On 04/16/2024 01:08 PM, 'Ava Chow' via Bitcoin Development
> Mailing List
> >>>>>>> wrote:
> >>>>>>> > While I don't disagree that 5 or 6 people seems like a
> lot to add at
> >>>>>>> > once, it's not clear to me how we should decide which
> subset of the
> >>>>>>> > nominees should be added. As it is now, I have only see=
n
> an actual
> >>>>>>> > objection to Kanzure and Ruben from /dev/fd0, and no
> explicit
> >>>>>>> objections
> >>>>>>> > to anyone else. It seems like the vast majority of
> people don't share
> >>>>>>> > their concerns either as both Kanzure and Ruben continu=
e
> to be
> >>>>>>> endorsed
> >>>>>>> > by many others.
> >>>>>>> >
> >>>>>>> > Looking at the endorsements each candidate has received=
,
> the current
> >>>>>>> > counts are:
> >>>>>>> > * Kanzure - 17 for, 1 against
> >>>>>>> > * Murch - 13 for
> >>>>>>> > * Jonatack - 13 for
> >>>>>>> > * Ruben - 12 for, 1 against
> >>>>>>> > * Roasbeef - 9 for
> >>>>>>> > * Michael Folkson - none
> >>>>>>> >
> >>>>>>> > However, I don't want this process to become a
> popularity contest and
> >>>>>>> > require some kind of formal voting. Rather I'd prefer
> that this
> >>>>>>> process
> >>>>>>> > be something more like how Bitcoin Core maintainers are
> added - by
> >>>>>>> > achieving rough consensus. Without any explicit
> objections to any of
> >>>>>>> > these candidates, I'm inclined to move forward with
> adding the 5 who
> >>>>>>> > have received endorsements. Having to pick "winners"
> from this list
> >>>>>>> > seems like a quick way to stir up drama that I don't
> think anyone
> >>>>>>> really
> >>>>>>> > wants to deal with.
> >>>>>>> >
> >>>>>>> > I do want to note that neither Kanzure, Ruben, nor
> Roasbeef have
> >>>>>>> posted
> >>>>>>> > on this list that they are willing to be BIP editors. I
> have
> >>>>>>> reached out
> >>>>>>> > to all 3 of them privately, and received responses from
> Kanzure and
> >>>>>>> > Ruben that indicate that they probably are willing, but
> public
> >>>>>>> > confirmation from them on this list would also be nice.
> I have not
> >>>>>>> > received a response from Roasbeef.
> >>>>>>> >
> >>>>>>> > Ava
> >>>>>>> >
> >>>>>>> > On 04/11/2024 10:22 AM, Sergi Delgado Segura wrote:
> >>>>>>> >> > I would prefer having more (9+?) than less folks o=
n
> this
> >>>>>>> task, so
> >>>>>>> >> personal preferences are easily ignored and overwritte=
n
> by the group
> >>>>>>> >> majority.
> >>>>>>> >>
> >>>>>>> >> I disagree with that, the more doesn't really the
> better here.
> >>>>>>> Having
> >>>>>>> >> too many editors may result in a tragedy of the
> commons, in
> >>>>>>> which people
> >>>>>>> >> just commit to the job because many others do, and the=
y
> do not
> >>>>>>> end up
> >>>>>>> >> doing as much because they expect others to do the it.
> This does not
> >>>>>>> >> only make the process look bad but may burnout the one=
s
> that end up
> >>>>>>> >> doing the job, given their time commitment ends up
> being too far
> >>>>>>> from
> >>>>>>> >> their expectations.
> >>>>>>> >>
> >>>>>>> >> I think being more moderate with the amount of people
> is better, and
> >>>>>>> >> gives us leeway in case the workload ends up being
> excessive and
> >>>>>>> we need
> >>>>>>> >> to add more people (plus discourage people from joinin=
g
> and
> >>>>>>> slacking off).
> >>>>>>> >>
> >>>>>>> >> I think 3 more people should be a good number to start
> from.
> >>>>>>> >> I'd personally vouch for Murch, Kanzure, and Ruben
> based on
> >>>>>>> their track
> >>>>>>> >> record in the space
> >>>>>>> >>
> >>>>>>> >> On Tue, Apr 2, 2024 at 4:30=E2=80=AFPM nvk <rdlfnvk@gm=
ail.com
> >>>>>>> <mailto:rdlfnvk@gmail.com>
> >>>>>>> >> <mailto:rdlfnvk@gmail.com <mailto:rdlfnvk@gmail.com>>>
> wrote:
> >>>>>>> >>
> >>>>>>> >> +1 for
> >>>>>>> >> Kanzure
> >>>>>>> >> RubenSomsen
> >>>>>>> >> Seccour
> >>>>>>> >> Jon Atack
> >>>>>>> >> Roasbeef
> >>>>>>> >>
> >>>>>>> >> I would prefer having more (9+?) than less folks on
> this task, so
> >>>>>>> >> personal preferences are easily ignored and overwritte=
n
> by the group
> >>>>>>> >> majority.
> >>>>>>> >>
> >>>>>>> >> BIPs were intended as a means to collect ideas, not
> enforce ideas.
> >>>>>>> >>
> >>>>>>> >> I'd like to return to that.
> >>>>>>> >>
> >>>>>>> >> - NVK (temp gmail account)
> >>>>>>> >>
> >>>>>>> >> On Monday, April 1, 2024 at 5:16:54=E2=80=AFPM UT=
C-4 David
> A.
> >>>>>>> Harding wrote:
> >>>>>>> >>
> >>>>>>> >> On 2024-03-28 10:04, Matt Corallo wrote:
> >>>>>>> >> > Please provide justification rather than
> simply
> >>>>>>> saying "I
> >>>>>>> >> like Bob!".
> >>>>>>> >>
> >>>>>>> >> Using only comments from the mailing list, th=
e
> >>>>>>> following appears
> >>>>>>> >> to be
> >>>>>>> >> the candidate list along with the current
> support.
> >>>>>>> Asterisks denote
> >>>>>>> >> candidates who indicated their willingness to
> accept
> >>>>>>> the role.
> >>>>>>> >>
> >>>>>>> >> - Bryan "Kanzure" Bishop, recommended by Ava
> Chow[1], Chris
> >>>>>>> >> Stewart[3],
> >>>>>>> >> Michael Folkson[6], Peter Todd[9], Matt
> Corallo[10],
> >>>>>>> Brandon
> >>>>>>> >> Black[11],
> >>>>>>> >> Antoine Riard[12], Murch[13], Antoine
> Poinsot[15], John
> >>>>>>> >> Carvalho[16]
> >>>>>>> >>
> >>>>>>> >> - Ruben Somsen, recommended by Ava Chow[1],
> Chris
> >>>>>>> Stewart[3],
> >>>>>>> >> Michael
> >>>>>>> >> Folkson[6], Antoine Riard[12], Murch[13],
> Antoine
> >>>>>>> Poinsot[15], John
> >>>>>>> >> Carvalho[16]
> >>>>>>> >>
> >>>>>>> >> - Jon Atack*, recommended by Luke Dashjr[2],
> Chris
> >>>>>>> Stewart[3],
> >>>>>>> >> /dev/fd0[5][7],
> >>>>>>> >> Brandon Black[11], Antoine Riard[12], Ava
> Chow[14], John
> >>>>>>> >> Carvalho[16]
> >>>>>>> >>
> >>>>>>> >> - Olaoluwa "Roasbeef" Osuntokun, recommended
> by Chris
> >>>>>>> >> Stewart[3], John
> >>>>>>> >> C. Vernaleo[4], /dev/fd0[5][7], Keagan
> McClelland[8],
> >>>>>>> Antoine
> >>>>>>> >> Riard[12], Ava Chow[14]
> >>>>>>> >>
> >>>>>>> >> - Mark "Murch" Erhardt*, recommended by Micha=
el
> >>>>>>> Folkson[6], Keagan
> >>>>>>> >> McClelland[8], Matt Corallo[10], Brandon
> Black[11], Antoine
> >>>>>>> >> Riard[12],
> >>>>>>> >> Ava Chow[14]
> >>>>>>> >>
> >>>>>>> >> - Michael Folkson*
> >>>>>>> >>
> >>>>>>> >> Note: Luke Dashjr proposed[17] Seccour and
> Greg Tonoski for
> >>>>>>> >> "non-dev
> >>>>>>> >> triaging", Tonoski proposed himself[18] for
> "BIP
> >>>>>>> editor", and
> >>>>>>> >> Antoine
> >>>>>>> >> Riard[12] proposed Seccour for "decentralized
> PM".
> >>>>>>> >>
> >>>>>>> >> I searched the BIPs repo by commenter to see
> if any of
> >>>>>>> the above
> >>>>>>> >> candidates had been especially active there,
> which is
> >>>>>>> listed
> >>>>>>> >> below as:
> >>>>>>> >> total PRs they commented on (number still
> open/number
> >>>>>>> closed).
> >>>>>>> >>
> >>>>>>> >> - 21 (1/20) commenter:kanzure
> >>>>>>> >> - 3 (2/1) commenter:rubensomsen
> >>>>>>> >> - 15 (0/15) commenter:jonatack
> >>>>>>> >> - 18 (2/16) commenter:roasbeef
> >>>>>>> >> - 10 (6/4) commenter:Murchandamus
> >>>>>>> >> - 57 (6/51) commenter:michaelfolkson
> >>>>>>> >>
> >>>>>>> >> I'll also note that Osuntokun is the only
> member of the
> >>>>>>> set to
> >>>>>>> >> have a
> >>>>>>> >> merged BIP that they co-authored, although I
> believe
> >>>>>>> there are
> >>>>>>> >> far-along
> >>>>>>> >> draft BIPs for both Murch (terminology) and
> Somsen (Silent
> >>>>>>> >> Payments). I
> >>>>>>> >> don't think this should be a requirement, but
> I do think it
> >>>>>>> >> demonstrates
> >>>>>>> >> familiarity with the process.
> >>>>>>> >>
> >>>>>>> >> Speaking only for myself, I think all of the
> candidates
> >>>>>>> above with
> >>>>>>> >> multiple recommendations from other community
> >>>>>>> participants are
> >>>>>>> >> fully
> >>>>>>> >> qualified for the role, so I'll only provide =
a
> detailed
> >>>>>>> >> justification
> >>>>>>> >> for the person who would be my first pick:
> Murch is not
> >>>>>>> only a
> >>>>>>> >> longstanding and broadly liked Bitcoin
> contributor, but
> >>>>>>> (as Corallo
> >>>>>>> >> mentioned) he has worked on standardizing
> terminology
> >>>>>>> through a
> >>>>>>> >> draft
> >>>>>>> >> BIP. In addition, he provided an extremely
> detailed
> >>>>>>> review of
> >>>>>>> >> all 300
> >>>>>>> >> pages of a draft of Mastering Bitcoin (3rd
> edition) and has
> >>>>>>> >> reviewed
> >>>>>>> >> drafts of over 200 weekly Optech newsletters,
> in both cases
> >>>>>>> >> significantly improving the accuracy and
> >>>>>>> comprehensibility of the
> >>>>>>> >> documentation. To me, that seems very similar
> to the
> >>>>>>> work we'd
> >>>>>>> >> ask him
> >>>>>>> >> to perform as a BIPs editor and it's somethin=
g
> that
> >>>>>>> he's already
> >>>>>>> >> doing,
> >>>>>>> >> so I think there's an excellent fit of person
> to role.
> >>>>>>> >>
> >>>>>>> >> -Dave
> >>>>>>> >>
> >>>>>>> >> [1]
> >>>>>>> >>
> >>>>>>>
> https://gnusha.org/pi/bitcoindev/2092f7ff-4860-47f8...@achow101.com/
> >>>>>>> <
> https://gnusha.org/pi/bitcoindev/2092f7ff-4860-47f8...@achow101.com/> <
> https://gnusha.org/pi/bitcoindev/2092f7ff-4860-47f8-ba1a-c9d97927551e@ach=
ow101.com/
> <
> https://gnusha.org/pi/bitcoindev/2092f7ff-4860-47f8-ba1a-c9d97927551e@ach=
ow101.com/
> >>
> >>>>>>> >> [2]
> >>>>>>> >>
> >>>>>>>
> https://gnusha.org/pi/bitcoindev/9288df7b-f2e9-4106...@dashjr.org/
> >>>>>>> <
> https://gnusha.org/pi/bitcoindev/9288df7b-f2e9-4106...@dashjr.org/>
> >>>>>>> <
> https://gnusha.org/pi/bitcoindev/9288df7b-f2e9-4106-b843-c1ff8f8a62a3@das=
hjr.org/
> <
> https://gnusha.org/pi/bitcoindev/9288df7b-f2e9-4106-b843-c1ff8f8a62a3@das=
hjr.org/
> >>
> >>>>>>> >> [3]
> >>>>>>> >>
> >>>>>>>
> https://gnusha.org/pi/bitcoindev/d1e7183c-30e6-4f1a...@googlegroups.com/ =
<
> https://gnusha.org/pi/bitcoindev/d1e7183c-30e6-4f1a...@googlegroups.com/>
> <
> https://gnusha.org/pi/bitcoindev/d1e7183c-30e6-4f1a-8fd6-cddc46f129a2n@go=
oglegroups.com/
> <
> https://gnusha.org/pi/bitcoindev/d1e7183c-30e6-4f1a-8fd6-cddc46f129a2n@go=
oglegroups.com/
> >>
> >>>>>>> >> [4]
> >>>>>>> >>
> >>>>>>>
> https://gnusha.org/pi/bitcoindev/84309c3f-e848-d333...@netpurgatory.com/ =
<
> https://gnusha.org/pi/bitcoindev/84309c3f-e848-d333...@netpurgatory.com/>
> <
> https://gnusha.org/pi/bitcoindev/84309c3f-e848-d333-fd28-bdd55899b713@net=
purgatory.com/
> <
> https://gnusha.org/pi/bitcoindev/84309c3f-e848-d333-fd28-bdd55899b713@net=
purgatory.com/
> >>
> >>>>>>> >> [5]
> >>>>>>> >>
> >>>>>>>
> https://gnusha.org/pi/bitcoindev/4c1462b7-ea1c-4a36...@googlegroups.com/ =
<
> https://gnusha.org/pi/bitcoindev/4c1462b7-ea1c-4a36...@googlegroups.com/>
> <
> https://gnusha.org/pi/bitcoindev/4c1462b7-ea1c-4a36-be81-7c3719157fabn@go=
oglegroups.com/
> <
> https://gnusha.org/pi/bitcoindev/4c1462b7-ea1c-4a36-be81-7c3719157fabn@go=
oglegroups.com/
> >>
> >>>>>>> >> [6]
> >>>>>>> >>
> >>>>>>>
> https://gnusha.org/pi/bitcoindev/a116fba3-5948-48d2...@googlegroups.com/ =
<
> https://gnusha.org/pi/bitcoindev/a116fba3-5948-48d2...@googlegroups.com/>
> <
> https://gnusha.org/pi/bitcoindev/a116fba3-5948-48d2-a787-639a3564d006n@go=
oglegroups.com/
> <
> https://gnusha.org/pi/bitcoindev/a116fba3-5948-48d2-a787-639a3564d006n@go=
oglegroups.com/
> >>
> >>>>>>> >> [7]
> >>>>>>> >>
> >>>>>>>
> https://gnusha.org/pi/bitcoindev/846b668f-8386-4869...@googlegroups.com/ =
<
> https://gnusha.org/pi/bitcoindev/846b668f-8386-4869...@googlegroups.com/>
> <
> https://gnusha.org/pi/bitcoindev/846b668f-8386-4869-a3b1-55d346efbea1n@go=
oglegroups.com/
> <
> https://gnusha.org/pi/bitcoindev/846b668f-8386-4869-a3b1-55d346efbea1n@go=
oglegroups.com/
> >>
> >>>>>>> >> [8]
> >>>>>>> >>
> >>>>>>>
> https://gnusha.org/pi/bitcoindev/CALeFGL1-LKPWd7YRS110ut8tX=3DwruqgLEazRA=
5...@mail.gmail.com/
> <
> https://gnusha.org/pi/bitcoindev/CALeFGL1-LKPWd7YRS110ut8tX=3DwruqgLEazRA=
5...@mail.gmail.com/>
> <
> https://gnusha.org/pi/bitcoindev/CALeFGL1-LKPWd7YRS110ut8tX=3DwruqgLEazRA=
5nVw9siYCPj4A@mail.gmail.com/
> <
> https://gnusha.org/pi/bitcoindev/CALeFGL1-LKPWd7YRS110ut8tX=3DwruqgLEazRA=
5nVw9siYCPj4A@mail.gmail.com/
> >>
> >>>>>>> >> [9]
> >>>>>>> https://gnusha.org/pi/bitcoindev/ZgePPvbf...@petertodd.org=
/
> >>>>>>> <
> https://gnusha.org/pi/bitcoindev/ZgePPvbf...@petertodd.org/>
> >>>>>>> >>
> >>>>>>> <
> https://gnusha.org/pi/bitcoindev/ZgePPvbfrr4wZG7k@petertodd.org/
> >>>>>>> <
> https://gnusha.org/pi/bitcoindev/ZgePPvbfrr4wZG7k@petertodd.org/>>
> >>>>>>> >> [10]
> >>>>>>> >>
> >>>>>>>
> https://gnusha.org/pi/bitcoindev/f9435999-42df-46b5...@mattcorallo.com/ <
> https://gnusha.org/pi/bitcoindev/f9435999-42df-46b5...@mattcorallo.com/> =
<
> https://gnusha.org/pi/bitcoindev/f9435999-42df-46b5-86e2-7ba0336a9bf2@mat=
tcorallo.com/
> <
> https://gnusha.org/pi/bitcoindev/f9435999-42df-46b5-86e2-7ba0336a9bf2@mat=
tcorallo.com/
> >>
> >>>>>>> >> [11]
> >>>>>>> https://gnusha.org/pi/bitcoindev/ZgWRu32FXzqqg69V@console/
> >>>>>>> <https://gnusha.org/pi/bitcoindev/ZgWRu32FXzqqg69V@console=
/
> >
> >>>>>>> >>
> >>>>>>> <https://gnusha.org/pi/bitcoindev/ZgWRu32FXzqqg69V@console=
/
> >>>>>>> <https://gnusha.org/pi/bitcoindev/ZgWRu32FXzqqg69V@console=
/
> >>
> >>>>>>> >> [12]
> >>>>>>> >>
> >>>>>>>
> https://gnusha.org/pi/bitcoindev/CALZpt+E8DohYEJ9aO+FiF6+E...@mail.gmail.=
com/
> <
> https://gnusha.org/pi/bitcoindev/CALZpt+E8DohYEJ9aO+FiF6+E...@mail.gmail.=
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<div dir=3D"ltr">> There has not been any actual objections to the nomin=
ees nor have there<span class=3D"gmail-Apple-converted-space">=C2=A0</span>=
<br>> been any suggestions on choosing a subset of them since my last em=
ail.<span class=3D"gmail-Apple-converted-space">=C2=A0</span><br>> As su=
ch, there is rough consensus on adding Kanzure, Murch, Jonatack,<span class=
=3D"gmail-Apple-converted-space">=C2=A0</span><br>> Ruben, and Roasbeef =
as BIP editors, and they will be added on Monday<span class=3D"gmail-Apple-=
converted-space">=C2=A0</span><br>> April 22nd.<br><div><br></div><div>A=
CK.</div><div><br></div><div>Beyond that, I'll stick to my mail of the =
1st April and I won't comment further on the subject of nominating new =
BIP editors.</div><div>If anyone has thoughts on how to improve the BIP pro=
cess for the _future_, I think real-or-random started a new thread called &=
quot;Time for an update to BIP2?".</div><div>Anyone can express themse=
lves there and then start to champion a new BIP of type "process"=
.</div><div><br></div><div>Best,</div><div>Antoine</div></div><br><div clas=
s=3D"gmail_quote"><div dir=3D"ltr" class=3D"gmail_attr">Le=C2=A0dim. 21 avr=
. 2024 =C3=A0=C2=A020:08, 'Ava Chow' via Bitcoin Development Mailin=
g List <<a href=3D"mailto:bitcoindev@googlegroups.com">bitcoindev@google=
groups.com</a>> a =C3=A9crit=C2=A0:<br></div><blockquote class=3D"gmail_=
quote" style=3D"margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;border-left-width:1px;border-left-=
style:solid;border-left-color:rgb(204,204,204);padding-left:1ex">On 04/21/2=
024 01:57 PM, Michael Folkson wrote:<br>
> So once a BIP number is allocated (or before) the BIP author can write=
<br>
> whatever they like on that BIP? Including false and misleading<br>
> statements? And the BIP editors have to merge it as long as it meets<b=
r>
> formatting requirements?<br>
<br>
I did not say that they can write anything, do not put words in my <br>
mouth. Modifications to a BIP are held to the same standard as when it <br>
is initially proposed. This standard is largely about formatting, but <br>
also about keeping BIPs as actual technical specifications. So long as <br>
the BIP after those modifications meet those requirements, then BIP <br>
editors should merge them.<br>
<br>
> A misleading statement like "This soft fork will definitely activ=
ate<br>
> at block X as it has been merged into implementation Y. It hasn't =
been<br>
> merged into Bitcoin Core yet but Bitcoin Core will merge the soft fork=
<br>
> after the activation"<br>
<br>
BIPs are specifications. They are not blog posts. They are not the place <b=
r>
for opining about whether or not something will activate. Such <br>
statements would be off topic for a BIP and do not meet the standard for <b=
r>
merging, so no, I do not think that should be merged, and I do not think <b=
r>
any of the proposed BIP editors would merge such a PR.<br>
<br>
> <br>
> This is a step change from before. If we aren't relying on *any*<b=
r>
> judgment then there might as well be 100 BIP editors. Because the<br>
> editors aren't doing anything, each BIP author (or champion) has t=
otal<br>
> license to write whatever they like on their BIP.<br>
> <br>
>> They are not arbiters of what is activated on Bitcoin. They are no=
t gatekeepers of soft forks.<br>
> <br>
> Of course not. The BIP editors do not decide what is activated on<br>
> Bitcoin. But they are gatekeepers on ensuring BIPs are high quality<br=
>
> and don't include false and misleading statements. Because false a=
nd<br>
> misleading statements can impact the evolution of an activation<br>
> process.<br>
> <br>
> I tried. Based on your perspective all we need is one malicious BIP<br=
>
> author (or champion) and they'll make the entire BIP process a jok=
e<br>
> and the BIP editors won't be able to do anything.<br>
<br>
You are being deliberately obtuse and strawmanning. I did not say that <br>
the BIP editors won't be able to do anything; I did not say that that a=
<br>
BIP author can put whatever they want once they get a BIP number.<br>
<br>
I suggest that you read the BIP process thread split from this one for <br>
opinions on how to refine the BIPs process to make it clearer as to what <b=
r>
BIP editors should be merging.<br>
<br>
Frankly, I don't understand what it is your are arguing for or trying t=
o <br>
achieve. You make absurd claims, use strawman arguments, and throw out <br>
whataboutisms. This all seems to me to be concern trolling, and as such, <b=
r>
I see no reason to continue responding to you.<br>
<br>
Ava<br>
<br>
> <br>
> Michael<br>
> <br>
> <br>
> <br>
> On Sun, Apr 21, 2024 at 5:39=E2=80=AFPM Ava Chow <<a href=3D"mailto=
:lists@achow101.com" target=3D"_blank">lists@achow101.com</a>> wrote:<br=
>
>><br>
>> You are misunderstanding the role of BIP editors. They are not arb=
iters<br>
>> of what is activated on Bitcoin. They are not gatekeepers of soft =
forks.<br>
>> If a BIP author proposes or agrees with a change to their BIP and =
those<br>
>> changes are formatted correctly, it is not the BIP editors' ri=
ghts nor<br>
>> responsibilities to refuse to merge that change. As with Bitcoin C=
ore<br>
>> maintainers, BIP editing is a largely janitorial role.<br>
>><br>
>> Just because something is a BIP does not mean it is a good idea. J=
ust<br>
>> because a BIP specifying a fork contains deployment parameters doe=
s not<br>
>> mean it will actually be deployed. There are several BIPs for both=
hard<br>
>> and soft forks that are rejected or withdrawn that have deployment=
<br>
>> parameters.<br>
>><br>
>> Furthermore, for myself, I would actually prefer that contentious =
soft<br>
>> forks for which some people are legitimately attempting to activat=
e have<br>
>> their deployment parameters be specified in a/the BIP. Having comp=
eting<br>
>> activation parameters in different BIPs is preferable over the<br>
>> documentation being spread around in many different places. It mak=
es it<br>
>> much easier for implementations to inform users what they've a=
ctually<br>
>> implemented so that users can make a more informed decision.<br>
>><br>
>> On 04/21/2024 07:43 AM, Michael Folkson wrote:<br>
>>> Ava<br>
>>><br>
>>> Thanks for the detailed response, I appreciate the insight.<br=
>
>>><br>
>>>>> I'm even more concerned about future soft fork act=
ivation attempts.<br>
>>>>> These don't necessarily need to be attempted via a=
Bitcoin Core merged<br>
>>>>> pull request hence the BIPs repo could be a key source=
of information<br>
>>>>> and guidance on this.<br>
>>><br>
>>>> This concern doesn't make any sense. There are already=
multiple soft and<br>
>>>> hard fork BIPs that are not active nor good ideas. A BIP d=
oes not need<br>
>>>> to be a good idea.<br>
>>><br>
>>> I would hope that a contentious soft fork and activation param=
s for<br>
>>> that contentious soft fork would not be merged into the Bitcoi=
n Core<br>
>>> codebase and up until now it hasn't been. I would hope all=
the Bitcoin<br>
>>> Core maintainers understand that even if they personally think=
a soft<br>
>>> fork is a good idea (apparently there is nothing to stop them =
merging<br>
>>> it without discussing it with the other maintainers) that they=
<br>
>>> shouldn't independently merge it if it is contentious.<br>
>>><br>
>>> Similarly I would hope that all BIP editors would be careful a=
bout<br>
>>> what information gets merged around soft fork activation *atte=
mpts*<br>
>>> whether that be activation details on a particular soft fork B=
IP or on<br>
>>> a separate activation BIP. With Taproot there were very strong=
<br>
>>> disagreements over activation parameters for a non-contentious=
soft<br>
>>> fork. It would be much messier for a contentious soft fork act=
ivation<br>
>>> attempt. I'm not sure all these new BIP editors understand=
that or<br>
>>> would perhaps even agree with that. For example Laolu is liste=
d as a<br>
>>> supporter of a CTV activation attempt back in 2022 [0] which w=
as<br>
>>> clearly contentious. That doesn't inspire me with confiden=
ce that as<br>
>>> soon as he is a BIP editor he won't start merging details =
on<br>
>>> contentious soft fork activation attempts in BIPs and merging =
that<br>
>>> soft fork in say btcd. He would need to be removed as a BIP ed=
itor if<br>
>>> he were to do something like that.<br>
>>><br>
>>> Thanks<br>
>>> Michael<br>
>>><br>
>>> [0]: <a href=3D"https://utxos.org/signals/" rel=3D"noreferrer"=
target=3D"_blank">https://utxos.org/signals/</a><br>
>>><br>
>>><br>
>>><br>
>>> On Sun, Apr 21, 2024 at 12:05=E2=80=AFAM Ava Chow <<a href=
=3D"mailto:lists@achow101.com" target=3D"_blank">lists@achow101.com</a>>=
wrote:<br>
>>>><br>
>>>><br>
>>>> On 04/20/2024 06:21 PM, Michael Folkson wrote:<br>
>>>>> It is inevitable there will be a "revert war"=
; unless they all have to<br>
>>>>> agree on merge decisions or communicate prior to mergi=
ng. It is just a<br>
>>>>> matter of time. Does for example Ordinal Numbers get a=
BIP number? I<br>
>>>>> suspect all the new BIP editors won't agree on tha=
t.<br>
>>>><br>
>>>> Why do you think that a revert war is inevitable?<br>
>>>><br>
>>>> The Bitcoin Core repo operates in a similar way - the main=
tainers are<br>
>>>> independent and work autonomously. The maintainers do not =
have to agree<br>
>>>> on merge decisions nor do they communicate prior to mergin=
g. If there's<br>
>>>> disagreement about a merge decision, we talk to each other=
about it like<br>
>>>> adults and come to a mutually agreeable resolution. I don&=
#39;t think<br>
>>>> there's ever been a revert war in the history of Bitco=
in.<br>
>>>><br>
>>>> I would expect that when there is something that is likely=
to be<br>
>>>> controversial or is ambiguous that it should be a BIP that=
they would<br>
>>>> then talk to each other about it. It doesn't have to b=
e all or nothing -<br>
>>>> they can do most work without communicating, but when ther=
e's questions<br>
>>>> or ambiguity, then they communicate.<br>
>>>><br>
>>>>> Who is to blame in a "revert war" if each ed=
itor is free to merge<br>
>>>>> whatever pull request they like? The editor who merged=
it? Why should<br>
>>>>> they be removed as an editor for merging a pull reques=
t when they find<br>
>>>>> out later a different editor disagreed with that merge=
decision and<br>
>>>>> wants to revert the merge?<br>
>>>><br>
>>>> A revert war would be someone merging a PR that reverts an=
other, then<br>
>>>> someone else (opening then) merging a PR that reverts that=
, and it goes<br>
>>>> back and forth. It would not be limited to PRs only. This =
would likely<br>
>>>> be super obvious too that they are controversially merging=
things as I<br>
>>>> would be surprised if other BIP editors didn't comment=
on any of those<br>
>>>> actions, besides the fact that many people do also watch t=
he BIPs repo.<br>
>>>> Regardless, the blame is on those who are doing the revert=
ing, and would<br>
>>>> be both sides.<br>
>>>><br>
>>>>> I'm even more concerned about future soft fork act=
ivation attempts.<br>
>>>>> These don't necessarily need to be attempted via a=
Bitcoin Core merged<br>
>>>>> pull request hence the BIPs repo could be a key source=
of information<br>
>>>>> and guidance on this.<br>
>>>><br>
>>>> This concern doesn't make any sense. There are already=
multiple soft and<br>
>>>> hard fork BIPs that are not active nor good ideas. A BIP d=
oes not need<br>
>>>> to be a good idea.<br>
>>>><br>
>>>>> I've seen Wladimir is contributing again to Core. =
Is there a plan to<br>
>>>>> give him commit access again?<br>
>>>><br>
>>>> It would have to be through the typical maintainer process=
, although I<br>
>>>> doubt that he even wants it. But that's completely ort=
hogonal to the<br>
>>>> BIPs repo discussion.<br>
>>>><br>
>>>>> I'd be more comfortable with him<br>
>>>>> overseeing things in the various repos under the Bitco=
in Core<br>
>>>>> (/bitcoin) GitHub org as it sounds like you don't =
really care if the<br>
>>>>> BIPs repo degenerates into a free for all.<br>
>>>><br>
>>>> I don't understand why you assume that.<br>
>>>><br>
>>>> I've said this before, but if I see a revert war going=
on in the BIPs<br>
>>>> repo, I will remove those involved immediately and make a =
thread on the<br>
>>>> list to discuss what to do about them. But I doubt that=
9;s a scenario<br>
>>>> that will actually come to pass.<br>
>>>><br>
>>>> Ava<br>
>>>><br>
>>>>><br>
>>>>> Thanks<br>
>>>>> Michael<br>
>>>>><br>
>>>>> On Sat, Apr 20, 2024 at 10:15=E2=80=AFPM 'Ava Chow=
' via Bitcoin Development<br>
>>>>> Mailing List <<a href=3D"mailto:bitcoindev@googlegr=
oups.com" target=3D"_blank">bitcoindev@googlegroups.com</a>> wrote:<br>
>>>>>><br>
>>>>>> On 04/20/2024 04:46 PM, Steve Lee wrote:<br>
>>>>>>> Wasn't there evidence provided that Kanzur=
e does not want this<br>
>>>>>>> responsibility without being paid?<br>
>>>>>><br>
>>>>>> I am not aware of that, and it hasn't come up =
when I've talked to him<br>
>>>>>> about being a BIPs editor.<br>
>>>>>><br>
>>>>>>> I'm confused by this process that we don&#=
39;t even ask the people if they<br>
>>>>>>> want the responsibility? I think only Laolu ha=
s chimed in to commit to it?<br>
>>>>>><br>
>>>>>> Personally, I've spoken to all 5 privately and=
they've all confirmed to<br>
>>>>>> me that they are willing to be BIPs editors. Jonat=
ack[1] and Murch[2]<br>
>>>>>> have also replied to this thread about this.<br>
>>>>>><br>
>>>>>> Ava<br>
>>>>>><br>
>>>>>> [1]:<br>
>>>>>> <a href=3D"https://gnusha.org/pi/bitcoindev/83b690=
00-ca1e-4a58-90b5-114cb09ac0bbn@googlegroups.com/" rel=3D"noreferrer" targe=
t=3D"_blank">https://gnusha.org/pi/bitcoindev/83b69000-ca1e-4a58-90b5-114cb=
09ac0bbn@googlegroups.com/</a><br>
>>>>>> [2]:<br>
>>>>>> <a href=3D"https://gnusha.org/pi/bitcoindev/53a001=
5c-b76a-441a-920b-32bd88d5e778@murch.one/" rel=3D"noreferrer" target=3D"_bl=
ank">https://gnusha.org/pi/bitcoindev/53a0015c-b76a-441a-920b-32bd88d5e778@=
murch.one/</a><br>
>>>>>><br>
>>>>>>><br>
>>>>>>> On Sat, Apr 20, 2024 at 12:30=E2=80=AFPM '=
Ava Chow' via Bitcoin Development<br>
>>>>>>> Mailing List <<a href=3D"mailto:bitcoindev@=
googlegroups.com" target=3D"_blank">bitcoindev@googlegroups.com</a><br>
>>>>>>> <mailto:<a href=3D"mailto:bitcoindev@google=
groups.com" target=3D"_blank">bitcoindev@googlegroups.com</a>>> wrote=
:<br>
>>>>>>><br>
>>>>>>>=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 Since we're now=
past the deadline of April 19th, I'd like to inform<br>
>>>>>>>=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 everyone of what wi=
ll happen on Monday.<br>
>>>>>>><br>
>>>>>>>=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 There has not been =
any actual objections to the nominees nor have there<br>
>>>>>>>=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 been any suggestion=
s on choosing a subset of them since my last email.<br>
>>>>>>>=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 As such, there is r=
ough consensus on adding Kanzure, Murch, Jonatack,<br>
>>>>>>>=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 Ruben, and Roasbeef=
as BIP editors, and they will be added on Monday<br>
>>>>>>>=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 April 22nd.<br>
>>>>>>><br>
>>>>>>>=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 Ava<br>
>>>>>>><br>
>>>>>>>=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 On 04/16/2024 01:08=
PM, 'Ava Chow' via Bitcoin Development Mailing List<br>
>>>>>>>=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 wrote:<br>
>>>>>>>=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0> While I =
don't disagree that 5 or 6 people seems like a lot to add at<br>
>>>>>>>=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0> once, it=
's not clear to me how we should decide which subset of the<br>
>>>>>>>=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0> nominees=
should be added. As it is now, I have only seen an actual<br>
>>>>>>>=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0> objectio=
n to Kanzure and Ruben from /dev/fd0, and no explicit<br>
>>>>>>>=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 objections<br>
>>>>>>>=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0> to anyon=
e else. It seems like the vast majority of people don't share<br>
>>>>>>>=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0> their co=
ncerns either as both Kanzure and Ruben continue to be<br>
>>>>>>>=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 endorsed<br>
>>>>>>>=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0> by many =
others.<br>
>>>>>>>=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0><br>
>>>>>>>=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0> Looking =
at the endorsements each candidate has received, the current<br>
>>>>>>>=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0> counts a=
re:<br>
>>>>>>>=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0> * Kanzur=
e - 17 for, 1 against<br>
>>>>>>>=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0> * Murch =
- 13 for<br>
>>>>>>>=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0> * Jonata=
ck - 13 for<br>
>>>>>>>=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0> * Ruben =
- 12 for, 1 against<br>
>>>>>>>=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0> * Roasbe=
ef - 9 for<br>
>>>>>>>=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0> * Michae=
l Folkson - none<br>
>>>>>>>=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0><br>
>>>>>>>=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0> However,=
I don't want this process to become a popularity contest and<br>
>>>>>>>=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0> require =
some kind of formal voting. Rather I'd prefer that this<br>
>>>>>>>=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 process<br>
>>>>>>>=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0> be somet=
hing more like how Bitcoin Core maintainers are added - by<br>
>>>>>>>=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0> achievin=
g rough consensus. Without any explicit objections to any of<br>
>>>>>>>=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0> these ca=
ndidates, I'm inclined to move forward with adding the 5 who<br>
>>>>>>>=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0> have rec=
eived endorsements. Having to pick "winners" from this list<br>
>>>>>>>=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0> seems li=
ke a quick way to stir up drama that I don't think anyone<br>
>>>>>>>=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 really<br>
>>>>>>>=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0> wants to=
deal with.<br>
>>>>>>>=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0><br>
>>>>>>>=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0> I do wan=
t to note that neither Kanzure, Ruben, nor Roasbeef have<br>
>>>>>>>=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 posted<br>
>>>>>>>=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0> on this =
list that they are willing to be BIP editors. I have<br>
>>>>>>>=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 reached out<br>
>>>>>>>=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0> to all 3=
of them privately, and received responses from Kanzure and<br>
>>>>>>>=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0> Ruben th=
at indicate that they probably are willing, but public<br>
>>>>>>>=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0> confirma=
tion from them on this list would also be nice. I have not<br>
>>>>>>>=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0> received=
a response from Roasbeef.<br>
>>>>>>>=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0><br>
>>>>>>>=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0> Ava<br>
>>>>>>>=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0><br>
>>>>>>>=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0> On 04/11=
/2024 10:22 AM, Sergi Delgado Segura wrote:<br>
>>>>>>>=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0>>=C2=
=A0 =C2=A0> I would prefer having more (9+?) than less folks on this<br>
>>>>>>>=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 task, so<br>
>>>>>>>=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0>> pers=
onal preferences are easily ignored and overwritten by the group<br>
>>>>>>>=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0>> majo=
rity.<br>
>>>>>>>=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0>><br>
>>>>>>>=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0>> I di=
sagree with that, the more doesn't really the better here.<br>
>>>>>>>=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 Having<br>
>>>>>>>=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0>> too =
many editors may result in a tragedy of the commons, in<br>
>>>>>>>=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 which people<br>
>>>>>>>=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0>> just=
commit to the job because many others do, and they do not<br>
>>>>>>>=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 end up<br>
>>>>>>>=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0>> doin=
g as much because they expect others to do the it. This does not<br>
>>>>>>>=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0>> only=
make the process look bad but may burnout the ones that end up<br>
>>>>>>>=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0>> doin=
g the job, given their time commitment ends up being too far<br>
>>>>>>>=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 from<br>
>>>>>>>=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0>> thei=
r expectations.<br>
>>>>>>>=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0>><br>
>>>>>>>=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0>> I th=
ink being more moderate with the amount of people is better, and<br>
>>>>>>>=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0>> give=
s us leeway in case the workload ends up being excessive and<br>
>>>>>>>=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 we need<br>
>>>>>>>=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0>> to a=
dd more people (plus discourage people from joining and<br>
>>>>>>>=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 slacking off).<br>
>>>>>>>=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0>><br>
>>>>>>>=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0>> I th=
ink 3 more people should be a good number to start from.<br>
>>>>>>>=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0>> I=
9;d personally vouch for Murch, Kanzure, and Ruben based on<br>
>>>>>>>=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 their track<br>
>>>>>>>=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0>> reco=
rd in the space<br>
>>>>>>>=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0>><br>
>>>>>>>=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0>> On T=
ue, Apr 2, 2024 at 4:30=E2=80=AFPM nvk <<a href=3D"mailto:rdlfnvk@gmail.=
com" target=3D"_blank">rdlfnvk@gmail.com</a><br>
>>>>>>>=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 <mailto:<a href=
=3D"mailto:rdlfnvk@gmail.com" target=3D"_blank">rdlfnvk@gmail.com</a>><b=
r>
>>>>>>>=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0>> <=
mailto:<a href=3D"mailto:rdlfnvk@gmail.com" target=3D"_blank">rdlfnvk@gmail=
.com</a> <mailto:<a href=3D"mailto:rdlfnvk@gmail.com" target=3D"_blank">=
rdlfnvk@gmail.com</a>>>> wrote:<br>
>>>>>>>=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0>><br>
>>>>>>>=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0>> +1 f=
or<br>
>>>>>>>=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0>> Kanz=
ure<br>
>>>>>>>=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0>> Rube=
nSomsen<br>
>>>>>>>=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0>> Secc=
our<br>
>>>>>>>=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0>> Jon =
Atack<br>
>>>>>>>=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0>> Roas=
beef<br>
>>>>>>>=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0>><br>
>>>>>>>=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0>> I wo=
uld prefer having more (9+?) than less folks on this task, so<br>
>>>>>>>=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0>> pers=
onal preferences are easily ignored and overwritten by the group<br>
>>>>>>>=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0>> majo=
rity.<br>
>>>>>>>=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0>><br>
>>>>>>>=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0>> BIPs=
were intended as a means to collect ideas, not enforce ideas.<br>
>>>>>>>=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0>><br>
>>>>>>>=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0>> I=
9;d like to return to that.<br>
>>>>>>>=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0>><br>
>>>>>>>=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0>> - NV=
K (temp gmail account)<br>
>>>>>>>=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0>><br>
>>>>>>>=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0>>=C2=
=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 On Monday, April 1, 2024 at 5:16:54=E2=80=AFPM UTC-4 Davi=
d A.<br>
>>>>>>>=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 Harding wrote:<br>
>>>>>>>=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0>><br>
>>>>>>>=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0>>=C2=
=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 On 2024-03-28 10:04, Matt Corallo wrote:<br=
>
>>>>>>>=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0>>=C2=
=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0> Please provide justification rat=
her than simply<br>
>>>>>>>=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 saying "I<br>
>>>>>>>=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0>>=C2=
=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 like Bob!".<br>
>>>>>>>=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0>><br>
>>>>>>>=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0>>=C2=
=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 Using only comments from the mailing list, =
the<br>
>>>>>>>=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 following appears<b=
r>
>>>>>>>=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0>>=C2=
=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 to be<br>
>>>>>>>=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0>>=C2=
=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 the candidate list along with the current s=
upport.<br>
>>>>>>>=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 Asterisks denote<br=
>
>>>>>>>=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0>>=C2=
=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 candidates who indicated their willingness =
to accept<br>
>>>>>>>=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 the role.<br>
>>>>>>>=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0>><br>
>>>>>>>=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0>>=C2=
=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 - Bryan "Kanzure" Bishop, recomme=
nded by Ava Chow[1], Chris<br>
>>>>>>>=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0>>=C2=
=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 Stewart[3],<br>
>>>>>>>=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0>>=C2=
=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 Michael Folkson[6], Peter Todd[9], Matt Cor=
allo[10],<br>
>>>>>>>=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 Brandon<br>
>>>>>>>=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0>>=C2=
=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 Black[11],<br>
>>>>>>>=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0>>=C2=
=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 Antoine Riard[12], Murch[13], Antoine Poins=
ot[15], John<br>
>>>>>>>=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0>>=C2=
=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 Carvalho[16]<br>
>>>>>>>=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0>><br>
>>>>>>>=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0>>=C2=
=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 - Ruben Somsen, recommended by Ava Chow[1],=
Chris<br>
>>>>>>>=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 Stewart[3],<br>
>>>>>>>=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0>>=C2=
=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 Michael<br>
>>>>>>>=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0>>=C2=
=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 Folkson[6], Antoine Riard[12], Murch[13], A=
ntoine<br>
>>>>>>>=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 Poinsot[15], John<b=
r>
>>>>>>>=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0>>=C2=
=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 Carvalho[16]<br>
>>>>>>>=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0>><br>
>>>>>>>=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0>>=C2=
=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 - Jon Atack*, recommended by Luke Dashjr[2]=
, Chris<br>
>>>>>>>=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 Stewart[3],<br>
>>>>>>>=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0>>=C2=
=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 /dev/fd0[5][7],<br>
>>>>>>>=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0>>=C2=
=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 Brandon Black[11], Antoine Riard[12], Ava C=
how[14], John<br>
>>>>>>>=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0>>=C2=
=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 Carvalho[16]<br>
>>>>>>>=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0>><br>
>>>>>>>=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0>>=C2=
=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 - Olaoluwa "Roasbeef" Osuntokun, =
recommended by Chris<br>
>>>>>>>=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0>>=C2=
=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 Stewart[3], John<br>
>>>>>>>=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0>>=C2=
=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 C. Vernaleo[4], /dev/fd0[5][7], Keagan McCl=
elland[8],<br>
>>>>>>>=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 Antoine<br>
>>>>>>>=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0>>=C2=
=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 Riard[12], Ava Chow[14]<br>
>>>>>>>=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0>><br>
>>>>>>>=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0>>=C2=
=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 - Mark "Murch" Erhardt*, recommen=
ded by Michael<br>
>>>>>>>=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 Folkson[6], Keagan<=
br>
>>>>>>>=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0>>=C2=
=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 McClelland[8], Matt Corallo[10], Brandon Bl=
ack[11], Antoine<br>
>>>>>>>=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0>>=C2=
=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 Riard[12],<br>
>>>>>>>=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0>>=C2=
=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 Ava Chow[14]<br>
>>>>>>>=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0>><br>
>>>>>>>=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0>>=C2=
=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 - Michael Folkson*<br>
>>>>>>>=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0>><br>
>>>>>>>=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0>>=C2=
=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 Note: Luke Dashjr proposed[17] Seccour and =
Greg Tonoski for<br>
>>>>>>>=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0>>=C2=
=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 "non-dev<br>
>>>>>>>=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0>>=C2=
=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 triaging", Tonoski proposed himself[18=
] for "BIP<br>
>>>>>>>=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 editor", and<b=
r>
>>>>>>>=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0>>=C2=
=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 Antoine<br>
>>>>>>>=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0>>=C2=
=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 Riard[12] proposed Seccour for "decent=
ralized PM".<br>
>>>>>>>=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0>><br>
>>>>>>>=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0>>=C2=
=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 I searched the BIPs repo by commenter to se=
e if any of<br>
>>>>>>>=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 the above<br>
>>>>>>>=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0>>=C2=
=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 candidates had been especially active there=
, which is<br>
>>>>>>>=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 listed<br>
>>>>>>>=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0>>=C2=
=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 below as:<br>
>>>>>>>=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0>>=C2=
=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 total PRs they commented on (number still o=
pen/number<br>
>>>>>>>=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 closed).<br>
>>>>>>>=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0>><br>
>>>>>>>=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0>>=C2=
=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 - 21 (1/20) commenter:kanzure<br>
>>>>>>>=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0>>=C2=
=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 - 3 (2/1) commenter:rubensomsen<br>
>>>>>>>=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0>>=C2=
=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 - 15 (0/15) commenter:jonatack<br>
>>>>>>>=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0>>=C2=
=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 - 18 (2/16) commenter:roasbeef<br>
>>>>>>>=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0>>=C2=
=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 - 10 (6/4) commenter:Murchandamus<br>
>>>>>>>=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0>>=C2=
=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 - 57 (6/51) commenter:michaelfolkson<br>
>>>>>>>=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0>><br>
>>>>>>>=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0>>=C2=
=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 I'll also note that Osuntokun is the on=
ly member of the<br>
>>>>>>>=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 set to<br>
>>>>>>>=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0>>=C2=
=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 have a<br>
>>>>>>>=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0>>=C2=
=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 merged BIP that they co-authored, although =
I believe<br>
>>>>>>>=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 there are<br>
>>>>>>>=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0>>=C2=
=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 far-along<br>
>>>>>>>=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0>>=C2=
=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 draft BIPs for both Murch (terminology) and=
Somsen (Silent<br>
>>>>>>>=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0>>=C2=
=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 Payments). I<br>
>>>>>>>=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0>>=C2=
=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 don't think this should be a requiremen=
t, but I do think it<br>
>>>>>>>=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0>>=C2=
=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 demonstrates<br>
>>>>>>>=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0>>=C2=
=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 familiarity with the process.<br>
>>>>>>>=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0>><br>
>>>>>>>=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0>>=C2=
=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 Speaking only for myself, I think all of th=
e candidates<br>
>>>>>>>=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 above with<br>
>>>>>>>=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0>>=C2=
=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 multiple recommendations from other communi=
ty<br>
>>>>>>>=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 participants are<br=
>
>>>>>>>=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0>>=C2=
=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 fully<br>
>>>>>>>=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0>>=C2=
=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 qualified for the role, so I'll only pr=
ovide a detailed<br>
>>>>>>>=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0>>=C2=
=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 justification<br>
>>>>>>>=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0>>=C2=
=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 for the person who would be my first pick: =
Murch is not<br>
>>>>>>>=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 only a<br>
>>>>>>>=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0>>=C2=
=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 longstanding and broadly liked Bitcoin cont=
ributor, but<br>
>>>>>>>=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 (as Corallo<br>
>>>>>>>=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0>>=C2=
=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 mentioned) he has worked on standardizing t=
erminology<br>
>>>>>>>=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 through a<br>
>>>>>>>=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0>>=C2=
=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 draft<br>
>>>>>>>=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0>>=C2=
=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 BIP. In addition, he provided an extremely =
detailed<br>
>>>>>>>=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 review of<br>
>>>>>>>=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0>>=C2=
=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 all 300<br>
>>>>>>>=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0>>=C2=
=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 pages of a draft of Mastering Bitcoin (3rd =
edition) and has<br>
>>>>>>>=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0>>=C2=
=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 reviewed<br>
>>>>>>>=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0>>=C2=
=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 drafts of over 200 weekly Optech newsletter=
s, in both cases<br>
>>>>>>>=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0>>=C2=
=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 significantly improving the accuracy and<br=
>
>>>>>>>=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 comprehensibility o=
f the<br>
>>>>>>>=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0>>=C2=
=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 documentation. To me, that seems very simil=
ar to the<br>
>>>>>>>=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 work we'd<br>
>>>>>>>=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0>>=C2=
=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 ask him<br>
>>>>>>>=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0>>=C2=
=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 to perform as a BIPs editor and it's so=
mething that<br>
>>>>>>>=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 he's already<br=
>
>>>>>>>=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0>>=C2=
=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 doing,<br>
>>>>>>>=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0>>=C2=
=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 so I think there's an excellent fit of =
person to role.<br>
>>>>>>>=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0>><br>
>>>>>>>=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0>>=C2=
=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 -Dave<br>
>>>>>>>=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0>><br>
>>>>>>>=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0>>=C2=
=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 [1]<br>
>>>>>>>=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0>><br>
>>>>>>>=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 <a href=3D"https://=
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06...@dashjr.org/</a>><br>
>>>>>>>=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 <<a href=3D"http=
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=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 [5]<br>
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>>>>>>>=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 <a href=3D"https://=
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