summaryrefslogtreecommitdiff
path: root/1d/7038c9f9cf3b20b5524e659293b0877245b482
blob: 382dcc0fcbb7943716480e74580760353517408f (plain)
1
2
3
4
5
6
7
8
9
10
11
12
13
14
15
16
17
18
19
20
21
22
23
24
25
26
27
28
29
30
31
32
33
34
35
36
37
38
39
40
41
42
43
44
45
46
47
48
49
50
51
52
53
54
55
56
57
58
59
60
61
62
63
64
65
66
67
68
69
70
71
72
73
74
75
76
77
78
79
80
81
82
83
84
85
86
87
88
89
90
91
92
93
94
95
96
97
98
99
100
101
102
103
104
105
106
107
108
109
110
111
112
113
114
115
116
117
118
119
120
121
122
123
Return-Path: <rgrant@rgrant.org>
Received: from smtp3.osuosl.org (smtp3.osuosl.org [140.211.166.136])
 by lists.linuxfoundation.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5C627C002D
 for <bitcoin-dev@lists.linuxfoundation.org>;
 Tue, 13 Sep 2022 16:03:14 +0000 (UTC)
Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1])
 by smtp3.osuosl.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 21A4E60E87
 for <bitcoin-dev@lists.linuxfoundation.org>;
 Tue, 13 Sep 2022 16:03:14 +0000 (UTC)
DKIM-Filter: OpenDKIM Filter v2.11.0 smtp3.osuosl.org 21A4E60E87
X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at osuosl.org
X-Spam-Flag: NO
X-Spam-Score: -1.899
X-Spam-Level: 
X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.899 tagged_above=-999 required=5
 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_NONE=-0.0001,
 RCVD_IN_MSPIKE_H2=-0.001, SPF_HELO_NONE=0.001, SPF_NONE=0.001]
 autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no
Received: from smtp3.osuosl.org ([127.0.0.1])
 by localhost (smtp3.osuosl.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024)
 with ESMTP id U-FAhNyq3D0Q
 for <bitcoin-dev@lists.linuxfoundation.org>;
 Tue, 13 Sep 2022 16:03:13 +0000 (UTC)
X-Greylist: whitelisted by SQLgrey-1.8.0
DKIM-Filter: OpenDKIM Filter v2.11.0 smtp3.osuosl.org 14FB460E71
Received: from mail-vs1-f51.google.com (mail-vs1-f51.google.com
 [209.85.217.51])
 by smtp3.osuosl.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 14FB460E71
 for <bitcoin-dev@lists.linuxfoundation.org>;
 Tue, 13 Sep 2022 16:03:12 +0000 (UTC)
Received: by mail-vs1-f51.google.com with SMTP id 67so12935436vsv.2
 for <bitcoin-dev@lists.linuxfoundation.org>;
 Tue, 13 Sep 2022 09:03:12 -0700 (PDT)
X-Google-DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed;
 d=1e100.net; s=20210112;
 h=cc:to:subject:message-id:date:from:in-reply-to:references
 :mime-version:x-gm-message-state:from:to:cc:subject:date;
 bh=Izp6t3WmeCvvKKYEtGiVVubRN/hPReIRb1FuobUDV2M=;
 b=xPChnRP+ICidN2bs5g54ei/k05xlb2SN+BvVEjlQoYs157Pr7LOaQPSLrMnrYrGjXp
 O3D6ruIHdsGpbgepI9Gb7lX0NGMQuzP+acxZ1FP+4hojIxpgnmEOMprhc2rbrXT/6VyH
 JD7cutolRlCWFp7+PO6zR8GW0V6Pg3Ckd94/obJ0yqXXaiwVTNw+1Ucxr3d7xWPF/Mgl
 5QA0i5LwnjKHfezlIYPb2oNHSm5JNiV7vPhUcdd1kdUugmUTCoGzLx5HN5CdmUuIU079
 KvLoscQ5/v1PSBnjap77MYA2cI6YS/mO+cGpmnGsBMvIMO1dRgxWGfBYvrNzpoRjXKp/
 ua+g==
X-Gm-Message-State: ACgBeo1shVr9YVVlDxH3YA9FVeI9yAkyoXw6spb/ZgaMc8A849nFJ4YW
 UUwyB8c9W/COKbX1xfT+Wuebwvn0UjvrV0gFt28+pMXxy4PI8A==
X-Google-Smtp-Source: AA6agR7NGGSvWU8NuTtTd2mDGG3z8qrv7VCtdCNGHLyCSiGG3ClgTMabWnph1MPvcatLr36LHZ/VCOBE262PFvTfepc=
X-Received: by 2002:a67:e085:0:b0:398:30a7:3be5 with SMTP id
 f5-20020a67e085000000b0039830a73be5mr8974522vsl.45.1663084991373; Tue, 13 Sep
 2022 09:03:11 -0700 (PDT)
MIME-Version: 1.0
References: <BQjnkZZajHKYBOUFAin8toHgNHhG346VUR4GQx6bSi2ftOuNTK1c1d4LWN4Zmr0tUg2w3xgtIZJSphBORYgWw4PPXq5pGFoZJk2Lx6AokuQ=@protonmail.com>
In-Reply-To: <BQjnkZZajHKYBOUFAin8toHgNHhG346VUR4GQx6bSi2ftOuNTK1c1d4LWN4Zmr0tUg2w3xgtIZJSphBORYgWw4PPXq5pGFoZJk2Lx6AokuQ=@protonmail.com>
From: Ryan Grant <bitcoin-dev@rgrant.org>
Date: Tue, 13 Sep 2022 16:02:35 +0000
Message-ID: <CAMnpzfo-LZO5h2HE0Hwt7BxejJk-ZBKvKT0yjgdz92CHLOXm7A@mail.gmail.com>
To: Bitcoin Protocol Discussion <bitcoin-dev@lists.linuxfoundation.org>
Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8"
Cc: Buck O Perley <buck.perley@protonmail.com>
Subject: Re: [bitcoin-dev] On a new community process to specify covenants
X-BeenThere: bitcoin-dev@lists.linuxfoundation.org
X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.15
Precedence: list
List-Id: Bitcoin Protocol Discussion <bitcoin-dev.lists.linuxfoundation.org>
List-Unsubscribe: <https://lists.linuxfoundation.org/mailman/options/bitcoin-dev>, 
 <mailto:bitcoin-dev-request@lists.linuxfoundation.org?subject=unsubscribe>
List-Archive: <http://lists.linuxfoundation.org/pipermail/bitcoin-dev/>
List-Post: <mailto:bitcoin-dev@lists.linuxfoundation.org>
List-Help: <mailto:bitcoin-dev-request@lists.linuxfoundation.org?subject=help>
List-Subscribe: <https://lists.linuxfoundation.org/mailman/listinfo/bitcoin-dev>, 
 <mailto:bitcoin-dev-request@lists.linuxfoundation.org?subject=subscribe>
X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 13 Sep 2022 16:03:14 -0000

On Mon, Sep 12, 2022 at 2:47 AM Buck O Perley via bitcoin-dev
<bitcoin-dev@lists.linuxfoundation.org> First just wanted to thank you
for taking the initiative to
> put this together. I think that as the community and
> ecosystem continue to grow, it's going to be an important
> part of the process to have groups like this develop. Hopefully
> they allow us to resist the "Tyranny of Structurelessness" without
> resorting to formalized governance processes and systems.

Huh, lots of reading material behind that phrase.  I'd heard it
before, but hadn't looked it up.

> > Defining a communication channel is still an open question: IRC, Slack,
> Discord, Discourse, ...
>
> I would vote against Slack. IRC is probably the best but maybe too
> high a barrier to entry? Publishing logs at least would counter
> concerns of it being exclusive. Maybe discord as an alternative.

I found Discord immediately wanted a phone number from me.  I think
IRC remains the lowest bar for participants to contribute.

> > About the starting point for regular meetings, I think the good timing is
> somewhere in November, after the upcoming cycle of Bitcoin conferences,

+1

> Maybe as a way to keep these topics separate, it would make sense
> for activation to have its own WG. As norms develop around this one,
> they could inform creating a separate space focused on forwarding
> research and discussion around how to introduce upgrades to bitcoin.

I'd participate in this.

> In general it would be nice to have multiple of these groups
> happening at once, and finding a way that they can operate separate
> from centralized companies. To my mind, there's no good reason why
> a supposedly decentralized protocol should have to be focusing on only
> one set of protocol advancements at a time. The linear way that
> discussions post-Taproot activation took shape ("What do you think the
> next bitcoin softfork should be?") is a sign of weakness in my opinion.
> Definitely a big red flag that we should be concerned with.

Yes.

> * Any thoughts on starting to commit to an in-person meetup to happen
> ~6 months - 1 year after the start of the regular online meetings?

I think that sounds reasonable.