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I would love to be able to increase block size. But I have serious doubts
about being able to do this safely at this time given what we presently
know about the Bitcoin network. And I'm pretty sure I'm not alone in this
sentiment.

Had we been working on fixing the known issues that most complicate bigger
blocks in the last six years, or even in the last three years after many
issues had already been well-identified, perhaps we'd be ready to increase
the limit. But other things have seemed more important, like specifying the
use of X.509 overlay protocols or adding complex filtering mechanisms to
the p2p protocol to make it practical to use tx merkle trees...and as a
result we're not ready for safely allowing larger blocks.

- Eric
On Jul 30, 2015 11:43 PM, "Thomas Zander via bitcoin-dev" <
bitcoin-dev@lists.linuxfoundation.org> wrote:

> On Thursday 30. July 2015 16.33.16 Eric Lombrozo via bitcoin-dev wrote:
> >  I don=E2=80=99t think it=E2=80=99s really a matter of whether we agree=
 on whether it=E2=80=99s
> good
> > to raise the block size limit, Gavin. I think it=E2=80=99s a matter of =
a
> difference
> > in priorities.
>
> Having different priorities is fine, using your time to block peoples
> attempts
> to increase block size is not showing different priorities, it shows
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> priorities.
> Different priorities means you can trust someone else to do things they
> care
> about while you do things you care about.
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<p dir=3D"ltr">I would love to be able to increase block size. But I have s=
erious doubts about being able to do this safely at this time given what we=
 presently know about the Bitcoin network. And I&#39;m pretty sure I&#39;m =
not alone in this sentiment.</p>
<p dir=3D"ltr">Had we been working on fixing the known issues that most com=
plicate bigger blocks in the last six years, or even in the last three year=
s after many issues had already been well-identified, perhaps we&#39;d be r=
eady to increase the limit. But other things have seemed more important, li=
ke specifying the use of X.509 overlay protocols or adding complex filterin=
g mechanisms to the p2p protocol to make it practical to use tx merkle tree=
s...and as a result we&#39;re not ready for safely allowing larger blocks.<=
/p>
<p dir=3D"ltr">- Eric</p>
<div class=3D"gmail_quote">On Jul 30, 2015 11:43 PM, &quot;Thomas Zander vi=
a bitcoin-dev&quot; &lt;<a href=3D"mailto:bitcoin-dev@lists.linuxfoundation=
.org">bitcoin-dev@lists.linuxfoundation.org</a>&gt; wrote:<br type=3D"attri=
bution"><blockquote class=3D"gmail_quote" style=3D"margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border=
-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex">On Thursday 30. July <a href=3D"tel:=
2015%2016.33.16" value=3D"+12015163316">2015 16.33.16</a> Eric Lombrozo via=
 bitcoin-dev wrote:<br>
&gt;=C2=A0 I don=E2=80=99t think it=E2=80=99s really a matter of whether we=
 agree on whether it=E2=80=99s good<br>
&gt; to raise the block size limit, Gavin. I think it=E2=80=99s a matter of=
 a difference<br>
&gt; in priorities.<br>
<br>
Having different priorities is fine, using your time to block peoples attem=
pts<br>
to increase block size is not showing different priorities, it shows confli=
cting<br>
priorities.<br>
Different priorities means you can trust someone else to do things they car=
e<br>
about while you do things you care about.<br>
--<br>
Thomas Zander<br>
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