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From: Jeremy Rubin <jeremy.l.rubin@gmail.com>
Date: Mon, 21 Feb 2022 19:19:23 -0800
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Subject: Re: [bitcoin-dev] CTV Signet Parameters
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There's also now a faucet:

https://faucet.ctvsignet.com

thanks 0x0ff!
--
@JeremyRubin <https://twitter.com/JeremyRubin>


On Fri, Feb 18, 2022 at 3:13 AM 0x0ff <0x0ff@onsats.org> wrote:

> Good day,
>
> I've setup the explorer for CTV Signet which is now up and running at
> https://explorer.ctvsignet.com
>
> Best,
> @0x0ff <https://twitter.com/0x0ff_>
>
> ------- Original Message -------
> On Thursday, February 17th, 2022 at 9:58 PM, Jeremy Rubin via bitcoin-dev <
> bitcoin-dev@lists.linuxfoundation.org> wrote:
>
> Hi devs,
>
> I have been running a CTV signet for around a year and it's seen little
> use. Early on I had some issues syncing new nodes, but I have verified
> syncability to this signet using
> https://github.com/JeremyRubin/bitcoin/tree/checktemplateverify-signet-23.0-alpha.
> Please use this signet!
>
> ```
> [signet]
>
> signetchallenge=512102946e8ba8eca597194e7ed90377d9bbebc5d17a9609ab3e35e706612ee882759351ae
> addnode=50.18.75.225
> ```
>
> This should be operational. Let me know if there are any issues you
> experience (likely with signet itself, but CTV too).
>
> Feel free to also email me an address and I can send you some signet coins
> -- if anyone is interested in running an automatic faucet I would love help
> with that and will send you a lot of coins.
>
> AJ Wrote (in another thread):
>
> > I'd much rather see some real
> > third-party experimentation *somewhere* public first, and Jeremy's CTV
> > signet being completely empty seems like a bad sign to me. Maybe that
> > means we should tentatively merge the feature and deploy it on the
> > default global signet though? Not really sure how best to get more
> > real world testing; but "deploy first, test later" doesn't sit right.
>
> I agree that real experimentation would be great, and think that merging
> the code (w/o activation) for signet would likely help users v.s. custom
> builds/parameters.
>
> I am unsure that "learning in public" is required -- personally I do
> experiments on regtest regularly and on mainnet (using emulators) more
> occasionally. I think some of the difficulty is that for setting up signet
> stuff you need to wait e.g. 10 minutes for blocks and stuff, source faucet
> coins, etc. V.s. regtest you can make tests that run automatically. Maybe
> seeing more regtest RPC test samples for regtests would be a sufficient
> in-between?
>
>
> Best,
>
> Jeremy
>
> --
> @JeremyRubin <https://twitter.com/JeremyRubin>
>
>
>

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<div dir=3D"ltr"><div class=3D"gmail_default" style=3D"font-family:arial,he=
lvetica,sans-serif;font-size:small;color:#000000">There&#39;s also now a fa=
ucet:</div><div class=3D"gmail_default" style=3D"font-family:arial,helvetic=
a,sans-serif;font-size:small;color:#000000"><br></div><div class=3D"gmail_d=
efault" style=3D"font-family:arial,helvetica,sans-serif;font-size:small;col=
or:#000000"><a href=3D"https://faucet.ctvsignet.com">https://faucet.ctvsign=
et.com</a><br></div><div class=3D"gmail_default" style=3D"font-family:arial=
,helvetica,sans-serif;font-size:small;color:#000000"><br></div><div class=
=3D"gmail_default" style=3D"font-family:arial,helvetica,sans-serif;font-siz=
e:small;color:#000000">thanks 0x0ff!</div><div><div dir=3D"ltr" class=3D"gm=
ail_signature" data-smartmail=3D"gmail_signature"><div dir=3D"ltr">--<br><a=
 href=3D"https://twitter.com/JeremyRubin" target=3D"_blank">@JeremyRubin</a=
><br></div></div></div><br></div><br><div class=3D"gmail_quote"><div dir=3D=
"ltr" class=3D"gmail_attr">On Fri, Feb 18, 2022 at 3:13 AM 0x0ff &lt;<a hre=
f=3D"mailto:0x0ff@onsats.org">0x0ff@onsats.org</a>&gt; wrote:<br></div><blo=
ckquote class=3D"gmail_quote" style=3D"margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;border-left=
-width:1px;border-left-style:solid;border-left-color:rgb(204,204,204);paddi=
ng-left:1ex"><div style=3D"font-family:arial;font-size:14px">Good day,<br><=
/div><div style=3D"line-height:normal;color:rgb(0,0,0);font-family:arial;fo=
nt-size:14px;font-style:normal;font-variant-caps:normal;font-weight:normal;=
letter-spacing:normal;text-align:start;text-indent:0px;text-transform:none;=
white-space:normal;word-spacing:0px;text-decoration:none"><br></div><div st=
yle=3D"line-height:normal;color:rgb(0,0,0);font-family:arial;font-size:14px=
;font-style:normal;font-variant-caps:normal;font-weight:normal;letter-spaci=
ng:normal;text-align:start;text-indent:0px;text-transform:none;white-space:=
normal;word-spacing:0px;text-decoration:none">I&#39;ve setup the explorer f=
or CTV Signet which is now up and running at=C2=A0<a style=3D"line-height:n=
ormal" rel=3D"noopener noreferrer" href=3D"https://explorer.ctvsignet.com/"=
 target=3D"_blank">https://explorer.ctvsignet.com</a><br></div><div style=
=3D"line-height:normal;color:rgb(0,0,0);font-family:arial;font-size:14px;fo=
nt-style:normal;font-variant-caps:normal;font-weight:normal;letter-spacing:=
normal;text-align:start;text-indent:0px;text-transform:none;white-space:nor=
mal;word-spacing:0px;text-decoration:none"><br></div><div style=3D"line-hei=
ght:normal;color:rgb(0,0,0);font-family:arial;font-size:14px;font-style:nor=
mal;font-variant-caps:normal;font-weight:normal;letter-spacing:normal;text-=
align:start;text-indent:0px;text-transform:none;white-space:normal;word-spa=
cing:0px;text-decoration:none">Best,<br></div><div style=3D"line-height:nor=
mal;color:rgb(0,0,0);font-family:arial;font-size:14px;font-style:normal;fon=
t-variant-caps:normal;font-weight:normal;letter-spacing:normal;text-align:s=
tart;text-indent:0px;text-transform:none;white-space:normal;word-spacing:0p=
x;text-decoration:none"><a style=3D"line-height:normal" href=3D"https://twi=
tter.com/0x0ff_" title=3D"https://twitter.com/0x0ff_" rel=3D"noopener noref=
errer" target=3D"_blank">@0x0ff</a><br></div><div style=3D"font-family:aria=
l;font-size:14px"><div style=3D"font-family:arial;font-size:14px"><div></di=
v><div></div></div><div style=3D"font-family:arial;font-size:14px"><br></di=
v></div><div>
        ------- Original Message -------<br>
        On Thursday, February 17th, 2022 at 9:58 PM, Jeremy Rubin via bitco=
in-dev &lt;<a href=3D"mailto:bitcoin-dev@lists.linuxfoundation.org" target=
=3D"_blank">bitcoin-dev@lists.linuxfoundation.org</a>&gt; wrote:<br>
        <blockquote type=3D"cite">
            <div dir=3D"ltr"><div style=3D"font-family:arial,helvetica,sans=
-serif;font-size:small;color:rgb(0,0,0)" class=3D"gmail_default">Hi devs,</=
div><div style=3D"font-family:arial,helvetica,sans-serif;font-size:small;co=
lor:rgb(0,0,0)" class=3D"gmail_default"><br></div><div style=3D"font-family=
:arial,helvetica,sans-serif;font-size:small;color:rgb(0,0,0)" class=3D"gmai=
l_default">I have been running a CTV signet for around a year and it&#39;s =
seen little use. Early on I had some issues syncing new nodes, but I have v=
erified syncability to this signet using <a href=3D"https://github.com/Jere=
myRubin/bitcoin/tree/checktemplateverify-signet-23.0-alpha" rel=3D"noreferr=
er nofollow noopener" target=3D"_blank">https://github.com/JeremyRubin/bitc=
oin/tree/checktemplateverify-signet-23.0-alpha</a>. Please use this signet!=
</div><div style=3D"font-family:arial,helvetica,sans-serif;font-size:small;=
color:rgb(0,0,0)" class=3D"gmail_default"><br>```<br>[signet]<br>signetchal=
lenge=3D512102946e8ba8eca597194e7ed90377d9bbebc5d17a9609ab3e35e706612ee8827=
59351ae<br>addnode=3D50.18.75.225<br>```<br><br>This should be operational.=
 Let me know if there are any issues you experience (likely with signet its=
elf, but CTV too).<br></div><div style=3D"font-family:arial,helvetica,sans-=
serif;font-size:small;color:rgb(0,0,0)" class=3D"gmail_default"><br></div><=
div style=3D"font-family:arial,helvetica,sans-serif;font-size:small;color:r=
gb(0,0,0)" class=3D"gmail_default">Feel free to also email me an address an=
d I can send you some signet coins -- if anyone is interested in running an=
 automatic faucet I would love help with that and will send you a lot of co=
ins.</div><div style=3D"font-family:arial,helvetica,sans-serif;font-size:sm=
all;color:rgb(0,0,0)" class=3D"gmail_default"><br></div><div style=3D"font-=
family:arial,helvetica,sans-serif;font-size:small;color:rgb(0,0,0)" class=
=3D"gmail_default">AJ Wrote (in another thread):</div><div style=3D"font-fa=
mily:arial,helvetica,sans-serif;font-size:small;color:rgb(0,0,0)" class=3D"=
gmail_default"><br></div><div style=3D"font-family:arial,helvetica,sans-ser=
if;font-size:small;color:rgb(0,0,0)" class=3D"gmail_default">&gt;  <span st=
yle=3D"font-family:Arial,Helvetica,sans-serif;color:rgb(34,34,34)">I&#39;d =
much rather see some real</span></div><span style=3D"font-family:arial,helv=
etica,sans-serif;font-size:small;color:rgb(0,0,0)" class=3D"gmail_default">=
&gt;</span>   third-party experimentation *somewhere* public first, and Jer=
emy&#39;s CTV<br><span style=3D"font-family:arial,helvetica,sans-serif;font=
-size:small;color:rgb(0,0,0)" class=3D"gmail_default">&gt;</span>   signet =
being completely empty seems like a bad sign to me. Maybe that<br><span sty=
le=3D"font-family:arial,helvetica,sans-serif;font-size:small;color:rgb(0,0,=
0)" class=3D"gmail_default">&gt;</span>   means we should tentatively merge=
 the feature and deploy it on the<br><span style=3D"font-family:arial,helve=
tica,sans-serif;font-size:small;color:rgb(0,0,0)" class=3D"gmail_default">&=
gt;</span>   default global signet though?  Not really sure how best to get=
 more<br><span style=3D"font-family:arial,helvetica,sans-serif;font-size:sm=
all;color:rgb(0,0,0)" class=3D"gmail_default">&gt;</span>   real world test=
ing; but &quot;deploy first, test later&quot; doesn&#39;t sit right.<div><b=
r></div><div><div style=3D"font-family:arial,helvetica,sans-serif;font-size=
:small;color:rgb(0,0,0)" class=3D"gmail_default">I agree that real experime=
ntation would be great, and think that merging the code (w/o activation) fo=
r signet would likely help users v.s. custom builds/parameters.</div><div s=
tyle=3D"font-family:arial,helvetica,sans-serif;font-size:small;color:rgb(0,=
0,0)" class=3D"gmail_default"><br></div><div style=3D"font-family:arial,hel=
vetica,sans-serif;font-size:small;color:rgb(0,0,0)" class=3D"gmail_default"=
>I am unsure that &quot;learning in public&quot; is required -- personally =
I do experiments on regtest regularly and on mainnet (using emulators) more=
 occasionally. I think some of the difficulty is that for setting up signet=
 stuff you need to wait e.g. 10 minutes for blocks and stuff, source faucet=
 coins, etc. V.s. regtest you can make tests that run automatically. Maybe =
seeing more regtest RPC test samples for regtests would be a sufficient in-=
between?</div><br><div style=3D"font-family:arial,helvetica,sans-serif;font=
-size:small;color:rgb(0,0,0)" class=3D"gmail_default"><br></div><div style=
=3D"font-family:arial,helvetica,sans-serif;font-size:small;color:rgb(0,0,0)=
" class=3D"gmail_default">Best,</div><div style=3D"font-family:arial,helvet=
ica,sans-serif;font-size:small;color:rgb(0,0,0)" class=3D"gmail_default"><b=
r></div><div style=3D"font-family:arial,helvetica,sans-serif;font-size:smal=
l;color:rgb(0,0,0)" class=3D"gmail_default">Jeremy</div><br clear=3D"all"><=
div><div dir=3D"ltr"><div dir=3D"ltr">--<br><a href=3D"https://twitter.com/=
JeremyRubin" rel=3D"noreferrer nofollow noopener" target=3D"_blank">@Jeremy=
Rubin</a><br></div></div></div></div></div>

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