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| author | Thy Shizzle <thyshizzle@outlook.com> | 2015-06-02 07:32:47 +1000 |
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Re: [Bitcoin-development] Fwd: Block Size Increase Requirements
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They don't even have to propagate this chain to yo= +u in a hurry right? And then they never have to receive a 20mb block from y= +ou because they have a longer chain without 20mb blocks and always ahead of= + your big blocks. As long as it is the longest chain it is Authority so let= + you guys transact your coinbase from the blocks you create etc. then whamo= + along come the chinese and supply a longer chain of just coinbase only blo= +cks which invalidates all your previous transactions and gives them all the= + coinbase they stamped=2C while invalidating yours. + +But who cares about them right :p +________________________________ +From: Warren Togami Jr.<mailto:wtogami@gmail.com> +Sent: =E2=80=8E2/=E2=80=8E06/=E2=80=8E2015 4:19 AM +Cc: Bitcoin Dev<mailto:bitcoin-development@lists.sourceforge.net> +Subject: Re: [Bitcoin-development] Fwd: Block Size Increase Requirements + +By reversing Mike's language to the reality of the situation I had hoped +people would realize how abjectly ignorant and insensitive his statement +was. I am sorry to those in the community if they misunderstood my post. I +thought it was obvious that it was sarcasm where I do not seriously believe +particular participants should be excluded. + +On Mon=2C Jun 1=2C 2015 at 3:06 AM=2C Thy Shizzle <thyshizzle@outlook.com> = +wrote: + +> Doesn't mean you should build something that says "fuck you" to the +> companies that have invested in farms of ASICS. To say "Oh yea if they +> can't mine it how we want stuff 'em" is naive. I get decentralisation=2C = +but +> don't dis incentivise mining. If miners are telling you that you're going +> to hurt them=2C esp. Miners that combined hold > 50% hashing power=2C why= + would +> you say too bad so sad? Why not just start stripping bitcoin out of +> adopters wallets? Same thing. +> ------------------------------ +> From: Warren Togami Jr. <wtogami@gmail.com> +> Sent: =E2=80=8E1/=E2=80=8E06/=E2=80=8E2015 10:30 PM +> Cc: Bitcoin Dev <bitcoin-development@lists.sourceforge.net> +> Subject: Re: [Bitcoin-development] Fwd: Block Size Increase Requirements +> +> Whilst it would be nice if miners in *outside* China can carry on +> forever regardless of their internet situation=2C nobody has any inherent +> "right" to mine if they can't do the job - if miners in *outside* China +> can't get the trivial amounts of bandwidth required through their firewal= +l *TO +> THE MAJORITY OF THE HASHRATE* and end up being outcompeted then OK=2C too +> bad=2C we'll have to carry on without them. +> +> +> On Mon=2C Jun 1=2C 2015 at 12:13 AM=2C Mike Hearn <mike@plan99.net> wrote= +: +> +> Whilst it would be nice if miners in China can carry on forever +> regardless of their internet situation=2C nobody has any inherent "right"= + to +> mine if they can't do the job - if miners in China can't get the trivial +> amounts of bandwidth required through their firewall and end up being +> outcompeted then OK=2C too bad=2C we'll have to carry on without them. +> +> But I'm not sure why it should be a big deal. They can always run a node +> on a server in Taiwan and connect the hardware to it via a VPN or so. +> +> + +--_9f28659d-6362-4430-9600-4edbf1913243_ +Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable +Content-Type: text/html; charset="utf-8" + +<html> +<head> +<meta http-equiv=3D"Content-Type" content=3D"text/html=3B charset=3Dutf-8"> +</head> +<body> +<div> +<div style=3D"font-family: Calibri=2Csans-serif=3B font-size: 11pt=3B">Ah s= +orry=2C I just thought you were saying doesn't matter which side let 'em bu= +rn.<br> +<br> +If I were the Chinese and people moved to 20mb MAX size blocks and said stu= +ff you=2C I'd just start firing out small coinbase only blocks now=2C if th= +ey truly have >=3B50% hashing power and they collaborate chances are they= + can build a longer chain of just coinbase + for themselves then the rest of the network doing big blocks. They don't e= +ven have to propagate this chain to you in a hurry right? And then they nev= +er have to receive a 20mb block from you because they have a longer chain w= +ithout 20mb blocks and always ahead + of your big blocks. As long as it is the longest chain it is Authority so = +let you guys transact your coinbase from the blocks you create etc. then wh= +amo along come the chinese and supply a longer chain of just coinbase only = +blocks which invalidates all your + previous transactions and gives them all the coinbase they stamped=2C whil= +e invalidating yours.<br> +<br> +But who cares about them right :p</div> +</div> +<div dir=3D"ltr"> +<hr> +<span style=3D"font-family: Calibri=2Csans-serif=3B font-size: 11pt=3B font= +-weight: bold=3B">From: +</span><span style=3D"font-family: Calibri=2Csans-serif=3B font-size: 11pt= +=3B"><a href=3D"mailto:wtogami@gmail.com">Warren Togami Jr.</a></span><br> +<span style=3D"font-family: Calibri=2Csans-serif=3B font-size: 11pt=3B font= +-weight: bold=3B">Sent: +</span><span style=3D"font-family: Calibri=2Csans-serif=3B font-size: 11pt= +=3B">=E2=80=8E2/=E2=80=8E06/=E2=80=8E2015 4:19 AM</span><br> +<span style=3D"font-family: Calibri=2Csans-serif=3B font-size: 11pt=3B font= +-weight: bold=3B">Cc: +</span><span style=3D"font-family: Calibri=2Csans-serif=3B font-size: 11pt= +=3B"><a href=3D"mailto:bitcoin-development@lists.sourceforge.net">Bitcoin D= +ev</a></span><br> +<span style=3D"font-family: Calibri=2Csans-serif=3B font-size: 11pt=3B font= +-weight: bold=3B">Subject: +</span><span style=3D"font-family: Calibri=2Csans-serif=3B font-size: 11pt= +=3B">Re: [Bitcoin-development] Fwd: Block Size Increase Requirements</span>= +<br> +<br> +</div> +<div> +<div dir=3D"ltr">By reversing Mike's language to the reality of the situati= +on I had hoped people would realize how abjectly ignorant and insensitive h= +is statement was. =3B I am sorry to those in the community if they misu= +nderstood my post. I thought it was obvious + that it was sarcasm where I do not seriously believe particular participan= +ts should be excluded.<br> +<div class=3D"x_gmail_extra"><br> +<div class=3D"x_gmail_quote">On Mon=2C Jun 1=2C 2015 at 3:06 AM=2C Thy Shiz= +zle <span dir=3D"ltr"> +<=3B<a href=3D"mailto:thyshizzle@outlook.com" target=3D"_blank">thyshizzl= +e@outlook.com</a>>=3B</span> wrote:<br> +<blockquote class=3D"x_gmail_quote" style=3D"margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex=3B bo= +rder-left-width:1px=3B border-left-color:rgb(204=2C204=2C204)=3B border-lef= +t-style:solid=3B padding-left:1ex"> +<div> +<div> +<div style=3D"font-family:Calibri=2Csans-serif=3B font-size:11pt">Doesn't m= +ean you should build something that says "=3Bfuck you"=3B to the co= +mpanies that have invested in farms of ASICS. To say "=3BOh yea if they= + can't mine it how we want stuff 'em"=3B is naive. I get decentralisati= +on=2C + but don't dis incentivise mining. If miners are telling you that you're go= +ing to hurt them=2C esp. Miners that combined hold >=3B 50% hashing power= +=2C why would you say too bad so sad? Why not just start stripping bitcoin = +out of adopters wallets? Same thing.</div> +</div> +<div dir=3D"ltr"> +<hr> +<span style=3D"font-family:Calibri=2Csans-serif=3B font-size:11pt=3B font-w= +eight:bold">From: +</span><span style=3D"font-family:Calibri=2Csans-serif=3B font-size:11pt"><= +a href=3D"mailto:wtogami@gmail.com" target=3D"_blank">Warren Togami Jr.</a>= +</span><br> +<span style=3D"font-family:Calibri=2Csans-serif=3B font-size:11pt=3B font-w= +eight:bold">Sent: +</span><span style=3D"font-family:Calibri=2Csans-serif=3B font-size:11pt">= +=E2=80=8E1/=E2=80=8E06/=E2=80=8E2015 10:30 PM</span><span class=3D""><br> +<span style=3D"font-family:Calibri=2Csans-serif=3B font-size:11pt=3B font-w= +eight:bold">Cc: +</span><span style=3D"font-family:Calibri=2Csans-serif=3B font-size:11pt"><= +a href=3D"mailto:bitcoin-development@lists.sourceforge.net" target=3D"_blan= +k">Bitcoin Dev</a></span><br> +<span style=3D"font-family:Calibri=2Csans-serif=3B font-size:11pt=3B font-w= +eight:bold">Subject: +</span><span style=3D"font-family:Calibri=2Csans-serif=3B font-size:11pt">R= +e: [Bitcoin-development] Fwd: Block Size Increase Requirements</span><br> +<br> +</span></div> +<div> +<div class=3D"x_h5"> +<div> +<div dir=3D"ltr"> +<blockquote style=3D"margin:0px 0px 0px 40px=3B border:none=3B padding:0px"= +>Whilst it would be nice if miners +<strike>in</strike> <b>outside</b> China can carry on forever regardless of= + their internet situation=2C nobody has any inherent "=3Bright"=3B = +to mine if they can't do the job - if miners +<strike>in</strike> =3B<b>outside</b> China can't get the trivial amoun= +ts of bandwidth required +<strike>through their firewall</strike> <b>TO THE MAJORITY OF THE HASHRATE<= +/b> and end up being outcompeted then OK=2C too bad=2C we'll have to carry = +on without them.<br> +</blockquote> +</div> +<div><br> +<div>On Mon=2C Jun 1=2C 2015 at 12:13 AM=2C Mike Hearn <span dir=3D"ltr">&l= +t=3B<a href=3D"mailto:mike@plan99.net" target=3D"_blank">mike@plan99.net</a= +>>=3B</span> wrote:<br> +<blockquote style=3D"margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex=3B border-left-width:1px=3B b= +order-left-color:rgb(204=2C204=2C204)=3B border-left-style:solid=3B padding= +-left:1ex"> +<div dir=3D"ltr"> +<div>Whilst it would be nice if miners in China can carry on forever regard= +less of their internet situation=2C nobody has any inherent "=3Bright&q= +uot=3B to mine if they can't do the job - if miners in China can't get the = +trivial amounts of bandwidth required through their + firewall and end up being outcompeted then OK=2C too bad=2C we'll have to = +carry on without them.</div> +<div><br> +</div> +<div>But I'm not sure why it should be a big deal. They can always run a no= +de on a server in Taiwan and connect the hardware to it via a VPN or so.</d= +iv> +</div> +</blockquote> +</div> +</div> +</div> +</div> +</div> +</div> +</blockquote> +</div> +<br> +</div> +</div> +</div> +</body> +</html> + +--_9f28659d-6362-4430-9600-4edbf1913243_-- + +--_60d7cc6e-02cd-4743-b043-57ebd3b08e94_ +Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" +MIME-Version: 1.0 +Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit +Content-Disposition: inline + +------------------------------------------------------------------------------ + +--_60d7cc6e-02cd-4743-b043-57ebd3b08e94_ +Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" +MIME-Version: 1.0 +Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit +Content-Disposition: inline + +_______________________________________________ +Bitcoin-development mailing list +Bitcoin-development@lists.sourceforge.net +https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/bitcoin-development + +--_60d7cc6e-02cd-4743-b043-57ebd3b08e94_-- + + |