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| author | Eric Lombrozo <elombrozo@gmail.com> | 2015-06-27 04:18:33 -0700 |
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| committer | bitcoindev <bitcoindev@gnusha.org> | 2015-06-27 11:18:38 +0000 |
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Re: [bitcoin-dev] The need for larger blocks
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+>>=20 +>> Increasing block limit increases the risk of centralization, but it = +also keeps the current status quo of blocks not being filled, rather = +then risking an unknown option of hitting the limit hard. +>=20 +> But that option is not unknown, that's the point of this thread. +> "Doing nothing" would require to fix the mempool to scale with the +> number of unconfirmed transaction. This is something that we will +> eventually have to fix unless the plan is to eventually remove the +> blocksize limit. +> What will happen with full blocks is that fees will likely rise and +> the transactions with bigger fees will get confirmed first. This is +> something that will eventually happen unless the blocksize limit is +> removed before ever being hit. +> What this thread is saying is that this option (the so-called "doing +> nothing" option, which actually requires more work than any of the +> current proposals for increasing the blocksize) is perfectly valid, +> which is in contradiction to a perceived "need to increase the +> blocksize limit soon". Increasing the block size is only an option, +> not a "need". And changing the consensus rules and forcing everybody +> to adapt their software to the changes is certainly not "maintaining +> the status quo", I'm getting tired of hearing that absurd notion. +> _______________________________________________ +> bitcoin-dev mailing list +> bitcoin-dev@lists.linuxfoundation.org +> https://lists.linuxfoundation.org/mailman/listinfo/bitcoin-dev + + +--Apple-Mail=_7CF2C3EF-74CC-4849-AE15-C700A680FA2D +Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit +Content-Disposition: attachment; + filename=signature.asc +Content-Type: application/pgp-signature; + name=signature.asc +Content-Description: Message signed with OpenPGP using GPGMail + +-----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- +Comment: GPGTools - https://gpgtools.org + +iQIcBAEBCgAGBQJVjoaJAAoJEJNAI64YFENU5VAP/0CCm5ZfowlQuE4DPVeO+Hx4 +/U7IWbpeWTmwFVZOC9/CO7ZzrvSPmmKJoKU7EV8whqmL+28zeJym3+uVtuJltCZH +S3tqM9W6bZEFngw3RAetgcgeUcT5lRzQLGDB4yG/9VegCN6PJWsc4NPjA3cTRC5L +NjBnf1x9sLnPZr6TUm0mOD0dcJzlz5ecqq67j66x55V8zG4AzzyXSOPnj+j4PxL+ +wjv0RgYHYEx6P838QjykPjLvHCInLMSap49wpcQCeHPjKIfHhinLGLcTw+yKiTqb +5t+dnQNR7BU2MwDvNrdUH1WqFJQ6dKqcq+QYI/L2jHUXFOXgWubARTwwuajwmFJ+ +jpecslVP84IyYTQx98uANSeBOCTB9KYt5FjaB0ms4HEnDKdq6qaMWySbaiSz6Nkg +rpuD6rS98rhBCoie/G4J0wL6mDt7lmSX55V2ygirCNk84ljDC0fmBCP44AyLACxe +PsOdgUN3whflrgpHsx9NorK3tbzG/+u0k9IykhjKmj+7FTXO0NZQrvutRtyfitIX +aezHZJTdNr6Bsld5hBu56ZdXgefrkDoAgnLTzxOu0E9lKd64u9GbhTldLykwE5Fj +6XHGdtKAWCeFnMetGCBT+1+/g+JPY2N9HLKfGJ7bkeuM0SWohxxyfL8MFx+nb6pj +zkiDNhwG/Jqim1J+UjSN +=+ujz +-----END PGP SIGNATURE----- + +--Apple-Mail=_7CF2C3EF-74CC-4849-AE15-C700A680FA2D-- + |