From: J. R. Molloy (jr@shasta.com)
Date: Sun Nov 14 1999 - 15:33:57 MST
Greg wrote,
>Ultimately, the questions I'm talking about are value questions: As the
>Greeks formulated the ultimate question, "What is the good?" I don't know
>what you mean when you say that "the singular issue of moralism . . . avoids
>the hard questions". What we judge to be good and bad IS the question.
Ah, but do we "judge" things as "good/bad" or do we respond from a visceral and
biological and genetic basis to elements of our environment? Perhaps we ought to
consider (or stop denying) the biological/genetic basis of value judgments.
>I understand the humor here, but it is funny because of the merit of the
>question. Look at the very formulation of your response: "the one who BEST
>answers" - well, how are we to judge a good answer, much less a "best" one?
best = the most successful
>Satisfying the
>needs of "human nature" becomes a shaky foundation when that nature becomes
>mutable.
"becomes" mutable? When did nature ever display anything other than mutability?
Evolution, especially societal evolution, _requires_ mutability. But the
pervasiveness of natural mutability does not necessitate a denial of objective
science, as "Cultural Studies" would like to persuade everyone.
>Your formulation above reveals that you seem to value "extending
>and amplifying our sentience" as a fundamental value. I do, too. But
>explicating WHY that is a fundamental value is important and may well not be
>within the realm addressable by the scientific method.
Explicating why sentience (or super-sentience) represents a fundamental value
does not pose a problem if we take a moment to look into it. It represents a
fundamental value because it answers questions -- even questions such as this
one -- and therefore, and thereby, validates itself. Scientifically, we can
observe this fact in our own consciousness: the value of sentience resides in
its ability to inform us of value. Circular? Perfectly.
Explicating why extending and amplifying our (accurate and relevant) sentience
constitutes a fundamental value to a non-carbon-based entity may present a real
challenge. When the opportunity presents itself, I'd like to have a go at it
(for the betterment of science and the ascension of life, as well as for the
challenge).
Cheers,
--J. R.
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