Re: Miracles, ETI, and rationality

From: Damien Broderick (d.broderick@english.unimelb.edu.au)
Date: Tue Nov 02 1999 - 15:04:29 MST


At 03:54 AM 2/11/99 -0600, Eli wrote heuristically:

>the *real* heuristic is that you can't
>assume what you're trying to prove; that's why Power-based explanations
>don't *work*, they attribute the blueness of the sky to someone's
>intention that the sky be blue, and then refuse to explain the
>intention.

>The simplest explanation is *not* "The lady down the block is
>a witch; she did it," because you haven't explained her motives.

Or, in either case, suggested even the bare bones of a mechanism or path
whereby this intention or motive was actualized. Worse, if the mechanism is
plausible in terms of known physics etc (as a QT account of the sky's
blueness is), the intention is otiose and gets the Ockam chop; if it is
entirely inconsistent with the corpus of knowledge (the witch's purported
powers), it's not even a starter (with a proviso to follow).

But I feel that Hal's and Robert's injunction against `magic' forces, etc,
might foreclose some true explanations. Lovelock's Gaia heuristic looks
good to me - we expect life to put its environment into
far-from-equilibrium but equilibrated states, so planets in such states
probably harbor life and those that aren't probably don't (except maybe of
the Tommy Gold lurking variety). To gaze at a world from a distance and
refuse to accept as explanatory life, and even the intentions of some of
the life, would prevent us from knowing true things (at least in respect of
the Earth). That would be a kind of Copernican stance, but a misguided one.

Robert's decision to view the structure and dynamics of the large-scale
cosmos in the light of likely earlier SI civilisations seems to me a
defensible Gaia-type approach (and one that I adverted to in THE SPIKE).
The trick to making it work is to clamp down hard on allowable parameters,
to make restrictions as tight as possible. On the other hand, this might
force us (as it forces Robert) to say `No magical physics', which I suspect
is a cardinal error. Not because our guesses at any particular magical
physics are likely to be right (too few limiting constraints), but because
the chances of us today just happening to live in the period when *all the
major physics is finally known* is... rather remote, isn't it? Yes, we know
a lot, yes, some think we're closing in on a TOE, but by golly we'll all
look as dopey in 50 years time as any Lord Kelvin a century back whose
world view denied (if only by implication) black holes, M-branes, or simple
radioactivity.

My own take on this, as I might have embarrassed a few here who perhaps
regard me as more or less rational, is that some of the evidence from
parapsychologists points to very weird shit indeed. Example: of late, some
intriguing work is being done as a follow-up to studies by Dr Dean Radin,
which I reported here a year or so back, indicating that subjects make a
detectable GSR `presponse' to visual targets not shown to them until a
couple of seconds later. This is a statistical effect, as usual, found in
concatenated results - like most psychophysiological paradigms. Reported
work, and other stuff still in press that I'm not at liberty to discuss in
detail, suggests that these presentiments are weak or non-existent for
emotionally colorless or `calm' stimuli, stronger for sexually arousing
images, and strongest of all for violent or horrible pictures. If this
effect is repeatable, as it now begins to seem to be, we have the door
opened a tiny crack to magical time-bending physics. Dang.

Don't shoot the messenger, I just work here.

Damien Broderick



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