DNA Forensics [was Re: CRYPTO NAZIS]

From: Robert J. Bradbury (bradbury@www.aeiveos.com)
Date: Thu Sep 30 1999 - 11:26:20 MDT


On Thu, 30 Sep 1999, Matthew Gaylor wrote:

> Am I the only one to wonder about the use of increasingly abstruse
> "scientific" evidence in criminal trials?
>
> Example: DNA samples. What, precisely, prevents prosecutors from
> simply printing out graphics and columns of figures that support
> their contention? If they are trying to "prove" that DNA samples
> taken from a crime scene match sequences from their suspect, what's
> to prevent them simply showing two copies of the same slide, side by
> side? Could you tell the difference? To accomplish it wouldn't even
> entail much of a "conspiracy:" one person along the chain of evidence
> could effect the switch, and it would be hard to trace in the face of
> the automatic/reflex government stonewall.

There was a presentation by the director of the FBI crime lab at
the TIGR genome meeting discussing the use of DNA forensics in
criminal cases. She discussed how in the early days, there was
a lot of mishandling but now the FBI has issued handling standards
and is working with local authorities to train people properly.
DNA forensics has also been reviewed and "certified" by the
National Academy of Sciences. My basic feeling from the dicussion
is that the techniques are fairly robust at this point.

Nothing in the world is going to keep evidence from being planted
occasionally. But this is good cop/bad cop and one would hope
that we have more of the former than the later.

> Evidence such as DNA matching is functionally "sourceless," since
> even if you were provided complete documentation on it, you still
> couldn't understand it: unless you're already an expert, you have no
> common-sense way to judge whether it's valid or not.
>
That isn't true. If it is documented from multiple witnesses as
coming from the crime scene and the paper trail is good (as it
should be with any evidence), the lab tests now are of the quality
and the math has been extensively analyzed such that this is a
legitimate form of evidence. I would trust a DNA test far more
than I would trust a ballistics report. Both can be forged but
both can be easily reexamined (so forging them doesn't do much good).

Now what was of interest is the database that the FBI is curating
involving DNA fingerprints from known criminals. Apparently
the rationale is that when you become a criminal, you give
up the "privacy" of your appearence or fingerprints. Since your
DNA is also an identifying feature, it goes into the database
as well. Now this is good from the perspective that it is allowing
connections to be made in criminal cases that would not otherwise
be made. She cited a case of a rapist/murderer who was also
a drug courier who showed up as committing crimes in multiple
states based on the DNA matches). She cited something like
11 cases where people who had been convicted of a crime had
been released because DNA tests indicated they were not the
real criminal involved.

However, there are significan privacy concerns with regard to
the DNA database. Currently if the access to the database
abused by local governments (it would be interesting to
find out what such abuse would be), the FBI is supposed
to revoke the access.

It was of interest that she did not know the answer to the
question of whether such a database could or would be used
for genotyping for "violence" genes. And she certainly
didn't have an answer for the question I had regarding
what would happen if such genes were discovered in the
database -- would such individuals be considered "disabled"?

Its going to get very interesting in the future when
"special interest groups" start getting concrete knowledge
with regard to their nature imposed "disabilities"...

To fan the flame wars... What if the right to carry a gun
required you to have your genome "edited" replacing those
violence genes with non-violent variants?

Would a better solution to lengthy imprisonments be
engineering criminals for passivity or pacifistity?

Robert



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