From: Technotranscendence (neptune@mars.superlink.net)
Date: Sat Sep 11 1999 - 08:53:17 MDT
On Friday, September 10, 1999 11:55 PM Spike Jones spike66@ibm.net wrote:
Subject: alex's local maxima
> About a week ago Alex Bokov posted something that has been
> rattling around in my brain ever since: that our society is threatened
> by hitting local maxima and stagnating. Perhaps this is a greater
> threat than military nanotech or singularity.
I'd hate to see stagnation, but, if we could outlast it (if our lifespan is
longer or infinite), then such local maxima would not be a greater threat
than military nanotech or other horror scenarios.
Also, remember, it is "local." It mgiht be that some of these might not be
overcome immediately... For instance, science in the Late Middle Ages and
Renaissance and up until the Enlightenment was shackled with a partially
religious metaphysics. We can view this as one part of human knowledge
having reached a local maxima. Yet by the time of 19th century, the
religious shackles were being thrown off.
I think this might point to how we might make it through such problems.
Advances might proceed quickly in one area while in others they are either
slow, nonexistent, or there are some reversals, but the overall state of the
system might be to move forward. This is similar to the way Philip Kitcher
believes math progresses in his _The Nature of Mathematical Knowledge_ and
also the way disequilibria move in an economy (see Estaben Thomsen's _Prices
and Knowledge_).
Even so, it might be possible that civilization reaches such a pass, as
Spike is fearing, that further advances (from within) are not possible. The
question then should be how to distinguish between a system which can
further evolve from one which is stuck.
As for the example of cars and traffic, more people are telecommuting,
working from home, or tailoring their hours. I live in New Jersey, one the
worst traffic areas on Earth, yet I've managed to work around this problem.
(Also, the problem has created a market for books on tape and such. I
listened to _The Age of Spiritual Machines_, for instance.:)
Cheers!
Daniel Ust
http://mars.superlink.net/neptune/
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