From: Mike Lorrey (mlorrey@yahoo.com)
Date: Tue Nov 26 2002 - 14:39:51 MST
--- Avatar Polymorph <avatarpolymorph@hotmail.com> wrote:
> Mike Lorrey notes that the UK and Australia have higher crime rates
> than the US. I am not sure where you gain this figure.
>From the law enforcement statistics published by their respective
governments. The current ANNUAL crime rate in the UK is over 40 per 100
population. Yes, 40% of the population is victimized each year.
>
> However, our murder rates are lower. Our handgun murder rates are far
> lower. I think, in the case of the US and the UK, it is something
like
> several thousand to a dozen or so. In the case of the State I live
> in, with 5 million inhabitants we have one or two or three handgun
> murders a year.
How many other homicides occur with other weapons? Since the UK and Oz
passed their gun ban laws, their crime rates (and homicide rates) have
climbed annually by the double digits.
UK and Oz also lie in their statistics. If a criminal kills three
people, that is considered one homicide crime in those country, while
here it is three separate crimes. They also treat non-gun homicides as
less serious offenses, despite the fact that the victims died due to
the malice and forethought of the perpetrator, so the 'murder rate' is
less than it would otherwise be.
>
> However, in the case of State murder our crime rate is lower than the
> US.
Yes, because some states here continue to prosecute people who defend
themselves from criminals. In your countries, the people no longer have
the means to do so.
>
> I am disappointed that as an immortalist and impending immortal you
> should not care about the continued existence of existing rapists and
> murderers.
Someone who cares so little for their fellow man should not be given an
infinite length of time to continue perpetrating crimes or else living
forever in isolation from humanity (at my expense). When you end
anothers life, you surrender your right to your own.
> I
> do share your concern about preventing rape and murder, but that does
> not impede my empathy. I am unconcerned with punishment. I am
> concerned with prevention through protective shielding and
assistance.
The only proven prevention is to allow private, law abiding citizens to
be armed.
That you are unconcerned with punishment is evident.
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