From: Eugen Leitl (eugen@leitl.org)
Date: Wed Nov 13 2002 - 14:00:42 MST
On Wed, 13 Nov 2002, Lee Corbin wrote:
> I never implied that, and of course don't believe that.
> I'll repeat: several people said that they are at level
> seven in the identity discussion, and that's more than
> I've ever seen before.
You postulate a linear sequence of positions implying progress. While I
don't disagree about a series on the lower levels, some of the steps are
not arrangeable in a linear series, and the pinnacle (pieces of my
identity are everywhere, both in time, and in space, and distributed over
diverse people) imo completely breaks the series.
But, as I said, sometime I might become fatalistic enough to commit
suicide on a secondly basis. As boring as things are already...
> Have you really placed yourself in the position of the poor
> prisoner? Didn't you accept my explanation for why (in
Yes. It's equivalent to backups with a lag. If you erase memories, you
kill the person that is. Assuming this is not Groundhog Day + Hellraiser,
I'd rather enjoy 10 seconds of a really intense ride (and think of ways of
how to return that favour) than to snuff myself. Sure, if you keep
torturing me often enough I might eventually prefer a serial suicide (but
I'll still kill you for that, once I can).
> desperation) someone would try to bring down on himself
> the "55" seconds of torture? Don't you understand that
> so far as his memories are concerned---and they, not
> logic, drive us hardest---he would be *rewarded* by not
> (illusorily) having endured the pain? See Eliezer's post,
What concerns me my former I, as I'm being tortured?
> for example, for someone who might not even plan on ever
> pushing "10". Only an abstract logic of what is best for
> one drives one to keep pushing "55" despite the memory
> of the consequence.
As I said, if you keep torturing me often enough I'll eventually snuff me.
Just as well; they say revenge is a dish best served cold.
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