From: Forrest Bishop (forrestb@ix.netcom.com)
Date: Wed Aug 21 2002 - 13:05:25 MDT
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From: Samantha Tennison <xytrope@yahoo.com>
To: <extropians@extropy.org>
Sent: Wednesday, August 21, 2002 9:28 AM
Subject: End to Extropy? American Dystopia in the wake of 9-11
> Hi All,
>
> I've been lurking on this list for quite some time,
> and I'm quite suprised that I have seen virtually no
> discussion on the disturbing trends occuring within
> the US since 9/11. ...
> Although I saw brief mention of Operation TIPS, and
> Ashcroft's plan for to interning Americans and strip
> them of their consititutional rights - where is the
> outrage?
Cool analysis, with the emotions set to the back burner, is more constructive.There isn't too much really new in the current US
psychohistorical picture. Much of it was predictable, and predicted in overall trend. The War on Terrorism, for example (but not by
name of course).
>From my UN survey response of November 7th, 2000:
Offer A Solution-
Prediction: Civil unrest and martial law in the US, a large war(s) abroad within three years. ...
Basis: 'Arranged' or 'permitted' attacks on USS Maine, HMS Lusitania, Reichstag, Pearl Harbor, Gulf of Tonkin, USS Cole*, etc. War
as a diversion from domestic issues. [Internal asset plundering as a leading indicator of war]
This of course was before the 9/11 attack was arranged.
> Isn't anybody on this list the least bit nervous?
> From where I'm sitting, we are quickly becoming a
> [fascist] police state. Hasn't anybody here noticed
> this?
The US has been a fascist police state throughout the 20th Century, to one degree or another.
http://www.hermes-press.com/police_state.htm
What is occurring now is the expected bull-market blowoff top in the National Security State mania. Later, perhaps as far out as
10-20 years, we can expect a partial or total disintegration of the US government, similar to what occurred in the Soviet Union,
Nazi Germany, and in Rome. First the dollar will need to collapse, taking Social Security and the rest of the debt/welfare state
with it. Stay tuned!
> A suspension of civil liberties - especially the 4th,
> 5th, 14th ammendments with the passage of the US
> Patriot Act. Doesn't anyone find the passage of this
> bill in the dark of night (374 pages!), and barely
> read if at all by our congress, the least bit
> [suspicious]?
Yes, very similar to Hitler's Enabling Act, passed after the Reichstag fire. Terrorizing Congress with the anthrax attack just
before passage of the Patriot Act was a nice touch.
> The Padilla case, where an American, born on American
> soil has been denied due process - setting a dangerous
> legal precedent that could make any American vunerable
> to loosing ALL of their constitutional rights by
> executive decree.
Agina, nothing new. Review a few Executive Orders, particularly those of Lincoln, FDR, Kennedy, and Clinton.
> The formation of a Homeland Security Agency - the
> biggest re-structuring and collation of intelligence
> in american history - with all of the above - plus
> operation TIPS, this amounts to the KGB and the Stasi
> rolled into one.
>
> And, now Bush wants broad new powers in how he runs
> this agency - sounds exactly like what Hitler wanted
> back in 1933. If Bush gets his current wishes, the
> [separation] of powers will be virtually eliminated.
Bush (Sr. and Prescott) learned a lot from Hitler, their family made their fortune financing Nazi Germany.
http://www.mega.nu:8080/ampp/naziism.html#metatop
http://www.mega.nu:8080/ampp/sutton_wall_street/index.html#metatop
http://www.mega.nu:8080/ampp/www.tarpley.net/bushb.htm
Separation of powers was eliminated during the Civil War. The latest steps are simply a consolidating move.
"Naturally the common people don't want war: Neither in Russia, nor in England, nor for that matter in Germany. That is
understood. But, after all, it is the leaders of the country who determine the policy and it is always a simple matter to drag the
people along, whether it is a democracy, or a fascist dictatorship, or a parliament, or a communist dictatorship. Voice or no voice,
the people can always be brought to the bidding of the leaders. That is easy. All you have to do is tell them they are being
attacked, and denounce the peacemakers for lack of patriotism and exposing the country to danger. It works the same in any country."
--Hermann Goering, President of the Reichstag,
Nazi Party, and Luftwaffe Commander in Chief,
from Gilbert, G.M. (1947). Nurenberg Diary, New York: Signet
quoted at (among many other sites)-
http://www.hermes-press.com/militarismindex.htm
Have a nice day,
Forrest
-- Forrest Bishop Chairman, Institute of Atomic-Scale Engineering www.iase.cc
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