From: Regina Pancake (regina@appliedfx.com)
Date: Mon Aug 19 2002 - 10:59:52 MDT
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>I think there is a deep difference between us and the green ideology;
>they consider nature as something that is inherently good regardless of
>human outcomes and that has to be retained as it is not just out of
>practical considerations but due to its inherent ethical value.
I think you've got a good point with this. It does seem like their saying
All nature-"GOOD" all technology-"BAD."
But I think there is a lot of room for communication between the two groups
here.
>A transhumanist view of nature would rather be dynamic: nature is
>something that changes, we are part of nature, let's change together in
>interesting ways.
Your right, this is where I'm coming from. That it is dynamic and not
static.
> This doesn't leave out respect for nature or the need
>to keep our biosphere liveable and of high quality, but we are far more
>willing to consider changes in nature. After all, if one accepts changing
>the human condition, why not the natural conditions too?
I think where the Greens and especially the Earth First groups would freak
out about on that statement, is that
we have this knack for throwing things out of wack as a race. you know,
children playing with guns, sort of thing.
Its shown up in problems like introducing new species to other lands. Such
as rabbits in Australia and the like.
Or weed killer that mutates the local frog populations. Stuff of the nature
(so to speak) is just hands down, bad P.R. for any group that pushes for
change. Namely us.
>I don't consider myself an environmentalist - these issues are currently
>so low on my priority list that they doesn't affect my sense of self -
>but I enjoy a good environment and want to promote it broadly. But it
>might not be the same environment as was there before (Sweden would IMHO
>be better with more deciduous forests! Mars needs oceans! Mercury needs
>nano-life! :-).
>Hmm..Oceans on Mars. Thought Mars needed women? (sorry. I'm prone to bad
>science fiction references)
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