From: Dickey, Michael F (michael_f_dickey@groton.pfizer.com)
Date: Thu Jun 06 2002 - 07:07:19 MDT
From: Samantha Atkins [mailto:samantha@objectent.com]
"Yes, but... we can acknowledge it is wrong, make reparations
where justified (Native Americans for sure) and vow never to
engage in or support those practices again. Yes? - samantha"
Yes, it is definately wrong. I am not condoning their practice, just
pointing out that has happened to all people from all kinds of invaders, it
was not just committed from whites to non-whites. I should hope that by
acknowledging this is something that all people do we would make it less
likely to happen in the future. In recent history, democratic nations
engaging in warfare have had a good record of treating the defeated country
quite well. Look at Japan and Germany post WWII. The Allied nations helped
rebuild their infrastructure and economy, they did not sweep in and rape and
pillage the whole nations. For a contrary example, Japan and its invasion
of China in WWII "Between December 1937 and March 1938 at least 369,366
Chinese civilians and prisoners of war were slaughtered by the invading
troops. An estimated 80,000 women and girls were raped; many of them were
then mutilated or murdered. Thousands of victims were beheaded, burned,
bayoneted, buried alive, or disemboweled." (from -
http://www.tribo.org/nanking/)
As far as reparations for Native Americans, I would say I could not speak
intelligently about it with my current data set.
Dislaimer - I am not condoning all actions of the allied military actions in
world war II or since, merely pointing out a very *general* trend for the
better from democratic nations.
Michael
Dickey, Michael F wrote:
> Is there *any* nation or country that has not invaded a neighboring
region,
> exploited its resources, and abused its indigenous people? With very few
> exceptions, I think not. I do not think it fair to single out persons of
> Caucasian descent in such a statement. Neighboring American Indian tribes
> were violent and sometimes slaughtered whole camps of rival tribes,
African
> tribes were similarly violent and often led the effort to capture
> neighboring tribes people and supply them for the slave trade, and slavery
> existed long before Europeans.
>
> The notion of the 'beautiful people' who lived simple lives in
ecologically
> harmony with nature only to be ruined by evil white Europeans is a myth.
> All humans, regardless of race or national descent are just as capable as
> being tribalistic, malevolent, and violent.
>
> Michael
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Anava000@aol.com [mailto:Anava000@aol.com]
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>
>
> Is there a nation or country that the white people have not come to, taken
> the best land and resources and abused the indigeneous peoples?
>
> With very few exceptions, I think not. Why must they infest other
countries
> like locusts? Why do they not just go back to where they originated from
and
> leave the rest of us alone?
>
> And to top it all off... for the most part, they have adopted a jewish
God,
> and anglicized Him. Why not just stay with their own forms of worship.
Must
> they take that too? What is wrong with these people?
> Anava
>
>
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