From: Samantha Atkins (samantha@objectent.com)
Date: Sun Apr 14 2002 - 05:03:34 MDT
Amen. Thanks for saying this.
-samantha
Harvey Newstrom wrote:
>
> On Friday, April 12, 2002, at 02:29 pm, CurtAdams@aol.com wrote:
>
>>
>> In a message dated 4/12/02 8:23:18, mail@HarveyNewstrom.com writes:
>>
>>> Even in a war, there has to be a pretty clear and present danger before
>>> the military is allowed to fire upon unarmed civilians. I really can't
>>> believe I am the only one who believes this.
>>
>>
>> Don't worry, Harvey, you're not, you're just doing a great job so there's
>> no need for me-toos.
>
>
> I wish I felt like I was doing a good job, but lately I feel like it is
> a losing battle. I seriously think I see more anti-freedom,
> anti-rights, anti-speech rheteric here than calls for freedom. I see
> more support for initiating force at the slightest imagined wrong rather
> than calls for evenhandedness. There is more classism, nationalism,
> pro-government, pro-military, anti-individual support than I ever
> imagined could survive here. I even see more pseudo-science and
> religious faith in unverified conjecture than real technical
> possibilities. People seem to be just making up ideas for propaganda
> value rather than concerning themselves with real research, validation
> and facts. It is getting harder and harder to justify putting any
> energy into this movement when is seems to becoming more destructive and
> less scientific. This discussion list seems to have little to do with
> the Extropian Principles, the Scientific Method, or even logical
> thought. Politics and propaganda seem to have become the primary
> purpose for most participants.
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