Re: Political views? Attn: Max More
From: Joe Dees (joedees@addall.com)
Date: Tue Jun 19 2001 - 22:59:26 MDT
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>Date: Tue, 19 Jun 2001 16:44:34 -0400
> Mike Lorrey <mlorrey@datamann.com> extropians@extropy.org Re: Political views?Reply-To: extropians@extropy.org
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>Joe Dees wrote:
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>> Minors are, inded, minor, and unless they have been legally emancipated, possess, and SHOULD possess, both less rights and less responsibilities. Do you want infants driving?
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>Minors do, in fact, drive cars, tractors, and legally operate machinery that is at least as dangerous as things like firearms. They also handle firearms quite safely in great multitudes when trained in their responsible use (far safer than minors handle a
>utomobiles who are also trained in their responsible use). Do you think people shouldn't drive cars prior to age 21?
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The answer is on my next section; correlative rights and responsibilities should be granted to maturing individuals gradually. Surely the ability to commit quick and easy long-range mass murder should be one that is granted before adulthood only under adult supervision.
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>> As people age and, we hope, mature, they should be gradually given more of both correlatively. People who have proven themselves not to be able to responsibly employ certain rights the irresponsible exercise of which may cause harm to themselves or ot
>hers cannot be granted the free exercise of those rights, for their own sakes and for the sakes of those around them. As far a 'black on a sunny day', the preemptive refutation to that slanderous canard is found in my definition of social liberal above,
>and as far as what a person thinks, that is up to the person; it is what a person DOES that should decide whether they are responsible enough to safely exercise certain potentially injurious rights around others.
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>Oddly enough, though, the overwhelming majority of felony convictions are against blacks with inadequate legal representation on evidence that would typically be dismissed if used against a white defendant, thus, the 'black on a sunny day' label sticks.
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Not against me. I'm all for reforming the inequalities in our present judicial system. It is not primarily a racial thing, but a monetary one (witness OJ); money and race just have a historically based correlation that is responsible for the inequities. One remedy I see is to mandate that public defenders have their feet held to the fire to provide good representation for their clients.
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>Moreover, all firearms regulations preceding WWI at state levels were passed by Democrats in Democrat controlled districts and were written specifically to make it far more difficult for a black person to own and carry firearms than a white person.
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Those were the infamous southern Dixiecrats; their ideological bent has been taken over by 'law and order', anti-immigration, anti-civil rights Republicans, who believe that many blacks cannot afford firearms due to fiscal inequities (some of them have pushed for 'Saturday Night Special' laws to get cheap, affordable firearms off the market). Their area is the south, where Republicans have replaced Dixiecrats, in large part because of democratic support for civil rights during the Kennedy and Johnson administrations; since then, Republican candidates for Prez have used the 'law and order' phrase as a code, from Reagan to Bush Senior (remember Willie Horton?).
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>> Still trying after the ban, ayy, Mikey?
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>a) there is no ban
>b) there is no ban, and
>c) there is no ban
>Additionally, you might note that it was you who was bounced, not me.
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I was not bounced, and Max More himself announced such a ban. It is not a matter of what is said, but what is done (or at least has been attempted); the perverse redirection of this list towards the private obsession of yourself and a few of your droogies.
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