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Bear in mind the problem that stops Jeff's messages getting through is that
mailman 1.0 doesn't know how to handle DKIM properly. Switching to a
different mailman provider won't fix that.

Does mailman 3.0 even fix this? I found it difficult to tell from their
website. There's a big page on the mailman wiki that suggests they "fixed"
it by simply deleting the signatures entirely, which won't work. DMARC
policies state that mail *must* be signed and unsigned/incorrectly signed
message should be discarded.

The user documentation for mailman 3 doesn't seem to exist? The links on
the website are docs for 2.1, perhaps they released mailman 3 without
refreshing the docs.

Google Groups may be "controversial" but if I recall correctly the main
issue was the question of whether you needed a Google account or not. I'm
pretty sure you can just send an email to
groupname+subscribe@googlegroups.com even if you don't have a Google
account. But of course this is a bizarre standard to hold mailing list
software to: mailman asks users to create an account for each listserv in
order to manage a subscription too!

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<div dir=3D"ltr"><div class=3D"gmail_extra">Bear in mind the problem that s=
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on&#39;t fix that.</div><div class=3D"gmail_extra"><br></div><div class=3D"=
gmail_extra">Does mailman 3.0 even fix this? I found it difficult to tell f=
rom their website. There&#39;s a big page on the mailman wiki that suggests=
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h won&#39;t work. DMARC policies state that mail <i>must</i>=C2=A0be signed=
 and unsigned/incorrectly signed message should be discarded.</div><div cla=
ss=3D"gmail_extra"><br></div><div class=3D"gmail_extra">The user documentat=
ion for mailman 3 doesn&#39;t seem to exist? The links on the website are d=
ocs for 2.1, perhaps they released mailman 3 without refreshing the docs.</=
div><div class=3D"gmail_extra"><br></div><div class=3D"gmail_extra">Google =
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;m pretty sure you can just send an email to <a href=3D"mailto:groupname%2B=
subscribe@googlegroups.com">groupname+subscribe@googlegroups.com</a> even i=
f you don&#39;t have a Google account. But of course this is a bizarre stan=
dard to hold mailing list software to: mailman asks users to create an acco=
unt for each listserv in order to manage a subscription too!</div><div clas=
s=3D"gmail_extra"><br></div></div>

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