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>> On Oct 22, 2017, at 13:11, Kosta Zertsekel wrote:
>> I wonder why automake has become the build system for Bitcoin Core?
>> I mean - why not cmake which is considered better?
>> Can you please point to the relevant discussion or explanation?
> On Mon, Oct 23, 2017 at 6:24 AM, Jeffrey Paul <jp@eeqj.com> wrote:
> Considered by whom? Automake is the standard and I prefer it as it
requires
> no additional install on most systems. For that, I consider it better.
Well, here are some quotes about CMake build tools...
JetBrains (2014)
=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D
Our brief research showed that CMake and =E2=80=98make=E2=80=99 were the mo=
st popular
cross-platform tools, having ~30% of users each, while both Autotools
and qmake had less than 7% of users. So we ended up with CMake and make.
[https://blog.jetbrains.com/clion/2014/09/cmake-vs-the-others-round-1/]
KDE Project (2006)
=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D
Now the next big change is happening: KDE is leaving the aging "autotool"
build chain behind. Some developers, not only in KDE, like to nickname
the autotools as "auto-hell" because of its difficult to comprehend
architecture. So, KDE 4 will feature a completely different build system:
CMake.
[https://lwn.net/Articles/188693/]
Also, there are more advanced build systems:
=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=
=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D
- Meson [http://mesonbuild.com]
- Ninja [https://ninja-build.org/]
All of them (CMake, Meson, Ninja) had a goal to replace automake.
Was there any discussion about choosing the best build system for
Bitcoin Core?
Thanks,
--- Kosta Z.
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<div dir=3D"ltr"><div class=3D"gmail_default"><div class=3D"gmail_default">=
<font face=3D"arial, helvetica, sans-serif">>> On Oct 22, 2017, at 13=
:11, Kosta Zertsekel wrote:</font></div><div class=3D"gmail_default"><font =
face=3D"arial, helvetica, sans-serif">>> I wonder why automake has be=
come the build system for Bitcoin Core?</font></div><div class=3D"gmail_def=
ault"><font face=3D"arial, helvetica, sans-serif">>> I mean - why not=
cmake which is considered better?</font></div><div class=3D"gmail_default"=
><font face=3D"arial, helvetica, sans-serif">>> Can you please point =
to the relevant discussion or explanation?</font></div><div class=3D"gmail_=
default"><font face=3D"arial, helvetica, sans-serif"><br></font></div><div =
class=3D"gmail_default"><font face=3D"arial, helvetica, sans-serif">> On=
Mon, Oct 23, 2017 at 6:24 AM, Jeffrey Paul <<a href=3D"mailto:jp@eeqj.c=
om">jp@eeqj.com</a>> wrote:</font></div><div class=3D"gmail_default"><fo=
nt face=3D"arial, helvetica, sans-serif">> Considered by whom? Automake =
is the standard and I prefer it as it requires</font></div><div class=3D"gm=
ail_default"><font face=3D"arial, helvetica, sans-serif">> no additional=
install on most systems. For that, I consider it better.</font></div><div =
class=3D"gmail_default"><font face=3D"arial, helvetica, sans-serif"><br></f=
ont></div><div class=3D"gmail_default"><font face=3D"arial, helvetica, sans=
-serif">Well, here are some quotes about CMake build tools...</font></div><=
div class=3D"gmail_default"><font face=3D"arial, helvetica, sans-serif"><br=
></font></div><div class=3D"gmail_default"><font face=3D"arial, helvetica, =
sans-serif">JetBrains (2014)</font></div><div class=3D"gmail_default"><font=
face=3D"arial, helvetica, sans-serif">=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=
=3D=3D=3D=3D</font></div><div class=3D"gmail_default"><font face=3D"arial, =
helvetica, sans-serif">Our brief research showed that CMake and =E2=80=98ma=
ke=E2=80=99 were the most popular</font></div><div class=3D"gmail_default">=
<font face=3D"arial, helvetica, sans-serif">cross-platform tools, having ~3=
0% of users each, while both Autotools</font></div><div class=3D"gmail_defa=
ult"><font face=3D"arial, helvetica, sans-serif">and qmake had less than 7%=
of users. So we ended up with CMake and make.</font></div><div class=3D"gm=
ail_default"><font face=3D"arial, helvetica, sans-serif">[<a href=3D"https:=
//blog.jetbrains.com/clion/2014/09/cmake-vs-the-others-round-1/">https://bl=
og.jetbrains.com/clion/2014/09/cmake-vs-the-others-round-1/</a>]</font></di=
v><div class=3D"gmail_default"><font face=3D"arial, helvetica, sans-serif">=
<br></font></div><div class=3D"gmail_default"><font face=3D"arial, helvetic=
a, sans-serif">KDE Project (2006)</font></div><div class=3D"gmail_default">=
<font face=3D"arial, helvetica, sans-serif">=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=
=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D</font></div><div class=3D"gmail_default"><font fac=
e=3D"arial, helvetica, sans-serif">Now the next big change is happening: KD=
E is leaving the aging "autotool"</font></div><div class=3D"gmail=
_default"><font face=3D"arial, helvetica, sans-serif">build chain behind. S=
ome developers, not only in KDE, like to nickname</font></div><div class=3D=
"gmail_default"><font face=3D"arial, helvetica, sans-serif">the autotools a=
s "auto-hell" because of its difficult to comprehend</font></div>=
<div class=3D"gmail_default"><font face=3D"arial, helvetica, sans-serif">ar=
chitecture. So, KDE 4 will feature a completely different build system:</fo=
nt></div><div class=3D"gmail_default"><font face=3D"arial, helvetica, sans-=
serif">CMake.</font></div><div class=3D"gmail_default"><font face=3D"arial,=
helvetica, sans-serif">[<a href=3D"https://lwn.net/Articles/188693/">https=
://lwn.net/Articles/188693/</a>]</font></div><div class=3D"gmail_default"><=
font face=3D"arial, helvetica, sans-serif"><br></font></div><div class=3D"g=
mail_default"><font face=3D"arial, helvetica, sans-serif">Also, there are m=
ore advanced build systems:</font></div><div class=3D"gmail_default"><font =
face=3D"arial, helvetica, sans-serif">=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=
=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=
=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D</font></div><div class=3D"gmail_default"><font face=
=3D"arial, helvetica, sans-serif">=C2=A0- Meson [<a href=3D"http://mesonbui=
ld.com">http://mesonbuild.com</a>]</font></div><div class=3D"gmail_default"=
><font face=3D"arial, helvetica, sans-serif">=C2=A0- Ninja [<a href=3D"http=
s://ninja-build.org/">https://ninja-build.org/</a>]</font></div><div class=
=3D"gmail_default"><font face=3D"arial, helvetica, sans-serif"><br></font><=
/div><div class=3D"gmail_default"><font face=3D"arial, helvetica, sans-seri=
f">All of them (CMake, Meson, Ninja) had a goal to replace automake.</font>=
</div><div class=3D"gmail_default"><font face=3D"arial, helvetica, sans-ser=
if">Was there any discussion about choosing the best build system for</font=
></div><div class=3D"gmail_default"><font face=3D"arial, helvetica, sans-se=
rif">Bitcoin Core?</font></div><div class=3D"gmail_default"><font face=3D"a=
rial, helvetica, sans-serif"><br></font></div><div class=3D"gmail_default">=
<font face=3D"arial, helvetica, sans-serif">Thanks,</font></div><div class=
=3D"gmail_default"><font face=3D"arial, helvetica, sans-serif">--- Kosta Z.=
</font></div></div></div>
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