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My mistake for thinking your text was generated text, and my humor was =
not meant to be directed at you, so apologies if you took it personally=
.=C2=A0
PS: The AI overlord is no joke
Cheers,
-Yancy
On Saturday, March 13, 2021 18:11 CET, Lonero Foundation <loneroassocia=
tion@gmail.com> wrote:
=C2=A0Hi, no worries. I made the changes now in the GitHub repository a=
nd pull request. I'm hoping for a BIP # soon. Thanks for the feedback, =
and I guess the sense of humor.=C2=A0Best regards, Andrew=C2=A0On Sat, =
Mar 13, 2021, 10:45 AM yancy <email@yancy.lol> wrote:Ok thanks.=C2=A0 U=
sing the correct terminology helps people understand what you're talkin=
g about and take you seriously.
Cheers,
-Yancy=C2=A0
Mar 13, 2021 4:02:18 PM Lonero Foundation <loneroassociation@gmail.com>=
:Hi, I know the differences between the cryptographic hashing algorithm=
and key validation. I know hashing is for SHA, but was referring to=C2=
=A0asymmetric cryptography in regards to the key validation. I should h=
ave used a different term though instead of, "In regards to cryptograph=
ic hashing,", I should have stated in regards to cryptographic key vali=
dation. There are a few other dubious clarifications or minor edits I s=
hould make in order to not draw confusion. I will do a repo update toda=
y. Honest mistake, but enough with the sarcasm.=C2=A0Best regards, Andr=
ew=C2=A0On Sat, Mar 13, 2021, 3:13 AM email@yancy.lol <email@yancy.lol>=
wrote:
My email was not intended as an insult.=C2=A0 Your proposal seemed a bi=
t like gibberish and made some obvious mistakes as pointed out before (=
such as conflating secp256k1 with sha256), and so I was genuinely curio=
us if you were a bot spamming the list.=C2=A0
Maybe a more interesting topic is, can GPT3 be used to generate a BIP?=C2=
=A0 How long before our AI overlord produces improvements to Bitcoin?=C2=
=A0 At what point will the AI have more than 51% of commit frequency?=C2=
=A0 Will we have lost the war to our new centralized overlord?
Cheers,
-Yancy
On Saturday, March 13, 2021 00:31 CET, Lonero Foundation <loneroassocia=
tion@gmail.com> wrote:
=C2=A0Also, I already stated I was referring to signature validation cr=
yptography in that aspect: https://wizardforcel.gitbooks.io/practical-c=
ryptography-for-developers-book/content/digital-signatures/ecdsa-sign-v=
erify-examples.htmlMy BIP has a primary purpose in regards to what I wa=
nt to develop proofs for and the different cryptographic elements I wan=
t to develop proofs for.That said to those who disagree with the premis=
e, I do prefer constructive feedback over insults or making fun of one =
another. After all this is an improvement proposal with a specific purp=
ose aiming to develop a specific thing, not a guy who is just wanting t=
o copy and paste a repository and call it a day.=C2=A0Best regards, And=
rew=C2=A0On Fri, Mar 12, 2021 at 6:21 PM Lonero Foundation <loneroassoc=
iation@gmail.com> wrote:Hi, I also want to emphasize that my main point=
isn't just to create a BTC hardfork or become another Bitcoin Cash, Go=
ld, or SV. The main point in regards to this BIP actually expands POW r=
ather than replaces or creates an alternative. Many of the problems fac=
ed in regards to security in the future as well as sustainability is so=
mething I believe lots of the changes I am proposing can fix. In regard=
s to technological implementation, once this is assigned draft status I=
am more than willing to create preprints explaining the cryptography, =
hashing algorithm improvements, and consensus that I am working on. Thi=
s is a highly technologically complex idea that I am willing to "call m=
y bluff on" and expand upon. As for it being a draft, I think this is a=
good starting point at least for draft status prior to working on tech=
nological implementation.=C2=A0Best regards, Andrew=C2=A0On Fri, Mar 12=
, 2021 at 5:37 PM email@yancy.lol <email@yancy.lol> wrote:I think Andre=
w himself is an algo.=C2=A0 The crypto training set must not be very go=
od.
Cheers,
-Yancy
On Friday, March 12, 2021 17:54 CET, Lonero Foundation via bitcoin-dev =
<bitcoin-dev@lists.linuxfoundation.org> wrote:
=C2=A0=E2=80=A6
=C2=A0
=C2=A0
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<html><p dir=3D"ltr" style=3D"line-height:1.38;margin-top:0pt;margin-bo=
ttom:0pt;" id=3D"docs-internal-guid-be47d78b-7fff-e62f-3a7d-3f65dada23e=
e"><span style=3D"font-size: 11pt; font-family: Arial; background-color=
: transparent; font-weight: 400; font-style: normal; font-variant: norm=
al; text-decoration: none; vertical-align: baseline; white-space: pre-w=
rap;">My mistake for thinking your text was generated text, and my humo=
r was not meant to be directed at you, so apologies if you took it pers=
onally.</span></p> <p dir=3D"ltr" style=3D"line-height:1.38;margin=
-top:0pt;margin-bottom:0pt;"><span style=3D"font-size: 11pt; font-famil=
y: Arial; background-color: transparent; font-weight: 400; font-style: =
normal; font-variant: normal; text-decoration: none; vertical-align: ba=
seline; white-space: pre-wrap;">PS: The AI overlord is no joke</span></=
p><br />Cheers,<br />-Yancy<br /><br />On Saturday, March 13, 2021 18:1=
1 CET, Lonero Foundation <loneroassociation@gmail.com> wrote:<br =
/> <blockquote type=3D"cite" cite=3D"CA+YkXXzOre2nhaC9gPWe0Qa30+43=
4=5FvC+Q0WsVz=3DkxKk4HjvEg@mail.gmail.com"><div dir=3D"auto">Hi, no wor=
ries. I made the changes now in the GitHub repository and pull request.=
I'm hoping for a BIP # soon. Thanks for the feedback, and I guess the =
sense of humor.<div dir=3D"auto"> </div><div dir=3D"auto">Best reg=
ards, Andrew</div></div> <div class=3D"gmail=5Fquote"><div dir=3D"=
ltr" class=3D"gmail=5Fattr">On Sat, Mar 13, 2021, 10:45 AM yancy <em=
ail@yancy.lol> wrote:</div><blockquote class=3D"gmail=5Fquote" style=
=3D"margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex"><div=
><span style=3D"font-family:sans-serif">Ok thanks. Using the corr=
ect terminology helps people understand what you're talking about and t=
ake you seriously.</span><br /><br /><span style=3D"font-family:sans-se=
rif">Cheers,</span><br /><span style=3D"font-family:sans-serif">-Yancy<=
/span><div> <p>Mar 13, 2021 4:02:18 PM Lonero Foundation <<a ta=
rget=3D"=5Fblank" rel=3D"noreferrer" href=3D"mailto:loneroassociation@g=
mail.com">loneroassociation@gmail.com</a>>:</p><blockquote><div dir=3D=
"auto">Hi, I know the differences between the cryptographic hashing alg=
orithm and key validation. I know hashing is for SHA, but was referring=
to <span>asymmetric cryptography in regards to the key validation=
. I should have used a different term though instead of, "In regards to=
cryptographic hashing,", I should have stated in regards to cryptograp=
hic key validation. There are a few other dubious clarifications or min=
or edits I should make in order to not draw confusion. I will do a repo=
update today. Honest mistake, but enough with the sarcasm.</span><div =
dir=3D"auto"> </div><div dir=3D"auto">Best regards, Andrew</div></=
div> <div class=3D"gmail=5Fquote"><div dir=3D"ltr" class=3D"gmail=5F=
attr">On Sat, Mar 13, 2021, 3:13 AM email@yancy.lol <email@yancy.lol=
> wrote:</div><blockquote class=3D"gmail=5Fquote" style=3D"margin:0 =
0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex"><p dir=3D"ltr" st=
yle=3D"line-height:1.38;margin-top:0pt;margin-bottom:0pt" id=3D"m=5F-24=
665084329890104m=5F-7605373105595509035m=5F8158420199876589271m=5F-1581=
779554600417290m=5F-1741129009180998294m=5F3490105251412115872m=5F-7757=
793637796267019m=5F-5697419812760722977docs-internal-guid-4056a8b1-7fff=
-9296-3427-4d2e04c785c7"><span style=3D"background-color:transparent;fo=
nt-variant:normal;white-space:pre-wrap;font-weight:400;text-decoration:=
none;vertical-align:baseline;font-size:11pt;font-family:Arial;font-styl=
e:normal">My email was not intended as an insult. Your proposal s=
eemed a bit like gibberish and made some obvious mistakes as pointed ou=
t before (such as conflating secp256k1 with sha256), and so I was genui=
nely curious if you were a bot spamming the list.</span></p> <p di=
r=3D"ltr" style=3D"line-height:1.38;margin-top:0pt;margin-bottom:0pt"><=
span style=3D"background-color:transparent;font-variant:normal;white-sp=
ace:pre-wrap;font-weight:400;text-decoration:none;vertical-align:baseli=
ne;font-size:11pt;font-family:Arial;font-style:normal">Maybe a more int=
eresting topic is, can GPT3 be used to generate a BIP? How long b=
efore our AI overlord produces improvements to Bitcoin? At what p=
oint will the AI have more than 51% of commit frequency? Will we =
have lost the war to our new centralized overlord?</span></p><br />Chee=
rs,<br />-Yancy<br /><br /><br />On Saturday, March 13, 2021 00:31 CET,=
Lonero Foundation <<a rel=3D"noreferrer noreferrer noreferrer noref=
errer noreferrer noreferrer noreferrer noreferrer" target=3D"=5Fblank" =
href=3D"mailto:loneroassociation@gmail.com">loneroassociation@gmail.com=
</a>> wrote:<br /> <blockquote type=3D"cite" cite=3D"http://CA+=
YkXXw5uh4yfvqDiBBEXcq188PEGku-NFFAq7uNuAFTG3ooTQ@mail.gmail.com"><div d=
ir=3D"ltr"><div>Also, I already stated I was referring to signature val=
idation cryptography in that aspect: <a rel=3D"noreferrer noreferrer no=
referrer noreferrer noreferrer noreferrer noreferrer noreferrer" target=
=3D"=5Fblank" href=3D"https://wizardforcel.gitbooks.io/practical-crypto=
graphy-for-developers-book/content/digital-signatures/ecdsa-sign-verify=
-examples.html">https://wizardforcel.gitbooks.io/practical-cryptography=
-for-developers-book/content/digital-signatures/ecdsa-sign-verify-examp=
les.html</a></div><div>My BIP has a primary purpose in regards to what =
I want to develop proofs for and the different cryptographic elements I=
want to develop proofs for.</div><div>That said to those who disagree =
with the premise, I do prefer constructive feedback over insults or mak=
ing fun of one another. After all this is an improvement proposal with =
a specific purpose aiming to develop a specific thing, not a guy who is=
just wanting to copy and paste a repository and call it a day.</div><d=
iv> </div><div>Best regards, Andrew</div></div> <div class=3D=
"gmail=5Fquote"><div dir=3D"ltr" class=3D"gmail=5Fattr">On Fri, Mar 12,=
2021 at 6:21 PM Lonero Foundation <<a rel=3D"noreferrer noreferrer =
noreferrer noreferrer noreferrer noreferrer noreferrer noreferrer" targ=
et=3D"=5Fblank" href=3D"mailto:loneroassociation@gmail.com">loneroassoc=
iation@gmail.com</a>> wrote:</div><blockquote class=3D"gmail=5Fquote=
" style=3D"margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;border-left:1px solid rgb(204,204,2=
04);padding-left:1ex"><div dir=3D"ltr"><div>Hi, I also want to emphasiz=
e that my main point isn't just to create a BTC hardfork or become anot=
her Bitcoin Cash, Gold, or SV. The main point in regards to this BIP ac=
tually expands POW rather than replaces or creates an alternative. Many=
of the problems faced in regards to security in the future as well as =
sustainability is something I believe lots of the changes I am proposin=
g can fix. In regards to technological implementation, once this is ass=
igned draft status I am more than willing to create preprints explainin=
g the cryptography, hashing algorithm improvements, and consensus that =
I am working on. This is a highly technologically complex idea that I a=
m willing to "call my bluff on" and expand upon. As for it being a draf=
t, I think this is a good starting point at least for draft status prio=
r to working on technological implementation.</div><div> </div><di=
v>Best regards, Andrew</div></div> <div class=3D"gmail=5Fquote"><d=
iv dir=3D"ltr" class=3D"gmail=5Fattr">On Fri, Mar 12, 2021 at 5:37 PM e=
mail@yancy.lol <email@yancy.lol> wrote:</div><blockquote class=3D=
"gmail=5Fquote" style=3D"margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;border-left:1px solid=
rgb(204,204,204);padding-left:1ex">I think Andrew himself is an algo.&=
nbsp; The crypto training set must not be very good.<br /><br />Cheers,=
<br />-Yancy<br /><br />On Friday, March 12, 2021 17:54 CET, Lonero Fou=
ndation via bitcoin-dev <<a rel=3D"noreferrer noreferrer noreferrer =
noreferrer noreferrer noreferrer noreferrer noreferrer" target=3D"=5Fbl=
ank" href=3D"mailto:bitcoin-dev@lists.linuxfoundation.org">bitcoin-dev@=
lists.linuxfoundation.org</a>> wrote:<br /> <blockquote type=3D=
"cite" cite=3D"http://CA+YkXXz9aHfZtt-it=5F8w4ovF=3D-QaZ4=5F9vwDS0Kz36q=
hHwVDC5Q@mail.gmail.com">=E2=80=A6</blockquote><br /><br /><br /> =
</blockquote></div></blockquote></div></blockquote><br /><br /><br />&n=
bsp;</blockquote></div></blockquote></div></div></blockquote></div></bl=
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