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Jameson,

I like your thinking about the implicit reward of full nodes. It was not =
perceived as sufficient by many, hence full node counts were falling.

This might reverse now as the implicit value of validating yourself =
however becomes higher in a heterogenous environment, that is if there =
are hard forks in the wild.

Actually pooled mining became an option through the homogenous nature of =
the network.

Tamas Blummer

> On Aug 19, 2015, at 13:42, Jameson Lopp via bitcoin-dev =
<bitcoin-dev@lists.linuxfoundation.org> wrote:
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> The incentives for running a node may not be obvious to the average =
user, but they are there. Rather than direct monetary incentives, they =
are indirect. For one, it allows you to have a local copy of the =
blockchain that you validated yourself - trustlessness is the entire =
point of this system. Having local self-validated blockchain data is =
also essential for any enterprise that needs to quickly access large =
volumes of it. The other incentive is it supports the network. Users may =
feel that this is necessary out of altruism or they may feel =
incentivized to protect their investments in Bitcoin.


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full node counts were falling.</div><div class=3D""><br =
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