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Thanks for clarifying!
On Wed, Apr 11, 2018 at 6:48 PM, ZmnSCPxj <ZmnSCPxj@protonmail.com> wrote:
> Good morning Karl-Johan Alm,
>
> To clarify:
>
> Nothing prevents a miner from completely ignoring nSequence when putting =
transactions in blocks.
>
> Unconfirmed transactions are, by definition, not recorded in blocks. So =
if there is a transaction 0xFFFFFFF nSequence and fee 1000 satoshi, and ano=
ther conflicting transaction 0xFFFFFFF nSequence and fee 100000000 satoshi,=
miners can include the latter one even if the first one came to their know=
ledge first, regardless nSequence.
>
> Thus, in the end "full replace-by-fee", where nSequence is IGNORED for pu=
rposes of replace-by-fee, is expected to become the norm, and we should rea=
lly be designing our wallets and so on so that we only trust transactions t=
hat have confirmations.
>
> The "nSequence=3D0xFFFFFFFF means opt-OUT of RBF" convention is only foll=
owed by fullnodes running standard bitcoind. Nothing prevents miners from =
running patched bitcoind that ignores this rule, and connecting with simila=
r peers who also ignore this rule.
>
> Regards,
> ZmnSCPxj
>
>
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> On April 11, 2018 5:37 PM, Peter Todd via bitcoin-dev <bitcoin-dev@lists.=
linuxfoundation.org> wrote:
>
>> On Wed, Apr 11, 2018 at 05:10:43PM +0900, Karl-Johan Alm wrote:
>>
>> > On Wed, Apr 11, 2018 at 4:52 PM, Peter Todd pete@petertodd.org wrote:
>> >
>> > > Or via full replace-by-fee, which appears to be used by a significan=
t minority
>> > >
>> > > of miners:
>> >
>> > I was of the impression that final transactions (sequence=3D0xffffffff=
)
>> >
>> > cannot be RBF'd.
>>
>> My full-replace-by-fee tree ignores that. It also does preferential peer=
ing to
>>
>> ensure it's well connected with likewise peers, and thus the whole netwo=
rk.
>>
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