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No, there was no such refusal. The ONLY issue at hand with regard to more B=
IP editors is that I don't have time to keep up with it by myself. If your =
goal is anything else, please sit this discussion out (aside from perhaps r=
easonable objections to new editors). BIP number assignments are trivial an=
d not a concern.

It seems there's an attempt to take advantage of the need for more BIP edit=
ors to change or bypass the BIP process without proper procedures followed.=
 While there may be arguments for improving the BIP process, that is unrela=
ted and would need to go through a BIP, not simply fiat of a new editor. An=
y potential new editor will need to follow the BIP process as it currently =
is defined until such a new BIP is accepted.

Luke

On April 2, 2024 7:49:22 AM CST, /dev /fd0 <alicexbtong@gmail.com> wrote:
>>  Does it matter? The number that a proposal gets has no impact on
>> literally anything else. They could do it sequentially and it wouldn't
>> actually make a difference as long as there are no collisions.
>
>Process followed to assign the number started this whole debate recently=
=20
>and creation of BINANA. Previous BIP editor refused to assign numbers to=
=20
>some BIPs. Kanzure had [tweeted][0] asking users on twitter if a BIP shoul=
d=20
>be assigned number. So I am curious what process exactly would be followed=
=20
>by new BIP editors.
>
>> For example, this was done when Luke was hacked -
>> all of his permissions were immediately removed as soon as the news came
>> out, and were only returned several months later once verified
>> communication with Luke were established and he was certain that his
>> GitHub account was no longer (at risk of being) compromised.
>
>Thanks for sharing. I wasn't aware of this.
>
>[0]: https://x.com/kanzure/status/1752663903715168280
>
>/dev/fd0
>floppy disk guy
>
>On Tuesday, April 2, 2024 at 8:22:16=E2=80=AFAM UTC Ava Chow wrote:
>
>>
>>
>> On 04/01/2024 07:55 PM, /dev /fd0 wrote:
>> > I think before we decide new BIP editors its important to discuss some=
=20
>> > things about the process itself:
>> >=20
>> > 1. Quoting first paragraph from BIPs repo README: "People wishing to=
=20
>> > submit BIPs, first should propose their idea or document to the=20
>> > bitco...@lists.linuxfoundation.org mailing list (do not assign a=20
>> > number - read BIP 2 for the full process). After discussion, please op=
en=20
>> > a PR. After copy-editing and acceptance, it will be published here."
>> >=20
>> > If Kanzure and Ruben are BIP editors, does it mean they can censor=20
>> > someone from submitting BIPs? This question makes sense because they=
=20
>> > will have control over the whole improvement process for "bitcoin" by=
=20
>> > being moderators for mailing list and BIP editors.
>>
>> If the only requirement is that a BIP shows up on the mailing list=20
>> first, then they can already censor them. Having them as BIP editors=20
>> wouldn't change that. It's not clear to me that this requirement is=20
>> strictly enforced anyways.
>>
>> Furthermore, they would not have the permissions to delete PRs or=20
>> issues, so once a PR is opened, even if closed, would still be there.=20
>> The status quo w.r.t that would not be any different. At worst, they=20
>> could refuse to assign a BIP a number, but that's no different than what=
=20
>> already happens today. In fact, the situation would likely be better=20
>> because there would be multiple BIP editors and so what goes into the=20
>> repo is not at the whim of a single person.
>>
>> > 2. How are numbers going to be assigned to BIPs?
>>
>> Does it matter? The number that a proposal gets has no impact on=20
>> literally anything else. They could do it sequentially and it wouldn't=
=20
>> actually make a difference as long as there are no collisions.
>>
>> > 3. Will there be copy of BIPs and pull requests maintained elsewhere=
=20
>> > like bitcoin core?
>>
>> I'm not sure why this is relevant to this discussion, but presumably=20
>> there already are, and if there aren't, you can do it yourself. It's=20
>> just like any other repo on GitHub.
>>
>> > 4. What are the expectations from new BIP editors? In what situation d=
o=20
>> > we look for next BIP editors or in other words, what will be the proce=
ss=20
>> > to remove an editor if lot of people are unhappy with their work?
>>
>> The expectations are as outlined to BIP 2, and that they are actually=20
>> active. The situation for looking for new BIP editors in the future is=
=20
>> presumably similar to the one we are in currently - people who write=20
>> BIPs are frustrated with things taking a long time to be merged with the=
=20
>> root cause being slow response times from the current editor. The=20
>> process would likely be very similar: names are proposed, there is=20
>> discussion about those people, and eventually some are added.
>>
>> As for removal, this has not been something we've ever done before, so=
=20
>> the process for this is undefined. However, it would presumably be a=20
>> similar procedure as for adding someone. It begins with someone raising=
=20
>> a complaint about one of the editors on this mailing list or some other=
=20
>> place a discussion, and a community discussion commences about whether=
=20
>> or not to remove them.
>>
>> There are certainly situations where one of the GitHub org owners may=20
>> take emergency action and remove a maintainer's privileges. This is only=
=20
>> done when there is a clear danger than the account may do something=20
>> malicious, and the privileges would be returned if there is clarity that=
=20
>> it is safe to do so. For example, this was done when Luke was hacked -=
=20
>> all of his permissions were immediately removed as soon as the news came=
=20
>> out, and were only returned several months later once verified=20
>> communication with Luke were established and he was certain that his=20
>> GitHub account was no longer (at risk of being) compromised.
>>
>> Ava
>>
>> >=20
>> > /dev/fd0
>> > floppy disk guy
>> >=20
>> > On Monday, April 1, 2024 at 9:16:54=E2=80=AFPM UTC David A. Harding wr=
ote:
>> >=20
>> > On 2024-03-28 10:04, Matt Corallo wrote:
>> > > Please provide justification rather than simply saying "I like
>> > Bob!".
>> >=20
>> > Using only comments from the mailing list, the following appears to be
>> > the candidate list along with the current support. Asterisks denote
>> > candidates who indicated their willingness to accept the role.
>> >=20
>> > - Bryan "Kanzure" Bishop, recommended by Ava Chow[1], Chris Stewart[3]=
,
>> > Michael Folkson[6], Peter Todd[9], Matt Corallo[10], Brandon
>> > Black[11],
>> > Antoine Riard[12], Murch[13], Antoine Poinsot[15], John Carvalho[16]
>> >=20
>> > - Ruben Somsen, recommended by Ava Chow[1], Chris Stewart[3], Michael
>> > Folkson[6], Antoine Riard[12], Murch[13], Antoine Poinsot[15], John
>> > Carvalho[16]
>> >=20
>> > - Jon Atack*, recommended by Luke Dashjr[2], Chris Stewart[3],
>> > /dev/fd0[5][7],
>> > Brandon Black[11], Antoine Riard[12], Ava Chow[14], John Carvalho[16]
>> >=20
>> > - Olaoluwa "Roasbeef" Osuntokun, recommended by Chris Stewart[3], John
>> > C. Vernaleo[4], /dev/fd0[5][7], Keagan McClelland[8], Antoine
>> > Riard[12], Ava Chow[14]
>> >=20
>> > - Mark "Murch" Erhardt*, recommended by Michael Folkson[6], Keagan
>> > McClelland[8], Matt Corallo[10], Brandon Black[11], Antoine Riard[12],
>> > Ava Chow[14]
>> >=20
>> > - Michael Folkson*
>> >=20
>> > Note: Luke Dashjr proposed[17] Seccour and Greg Tonoski for "non-dev
>> > triaging", Tonoski proposed himself[18] for "BIP editor", and Antoine
>> > Riard[12] proposed Seccour for "decentralized PM".
>> >=20
>> > I searched the BIPs repo by commenter to see if any of the above
>> > candidates had been especially active there, which is listed below as:
>> > total PRs they commented on (number still open/number closed).
>> >=20
>> > - 21 (1/20) commenter:kanzure
>> > - 3 (2/1) commenter:rubensomsen
>> > - 15 (0/15) commenter:jonatack
>> > - 18 (2/16) commenter:roasbeef
>> > - 10 (6/4) commenter:Murchandamus
>> > - 57 (6/51) commenter:michaelfolkson
>> >=20
>> > I'll also note that Osuntokun is the only member of the set to have a
>> > merged BIP that they co-authored, although I believe there are
>> > far-along
>> > draft BIPs for both Murch (terminology) and Somsen (Silent Payments). =
I
>> > don't think this should be a requirement, but I do think it
>> > demonstrates
>> > familiarity with the process.
>> >=20
>> > Speaking only for myself, I think all of the candidates above with
>> > multiple recommendations from other community participants are fully
>> > qualified for the role, so I'll only provide a detailed justification
>> > for the person who would be my first pick: Murch is not only a
>> > longstanding and broadly liked Bitcoin contributor, but (as Corallo
>> > mentioned) he has worked on standardizing terminology through a draft
>> > BIP. In addition, he provided an extremely detailed review of all 300
>> > pages of a draft of Mastering Bitcoin (3rd edition) and has reviewed
>> > drafts of over 200 weekly Optech newsletters, in both cases
>> > significantly improving the accuracy and comprehensibility of the
>> > documentation. To me, that seems very similar to the work we'd ask him
>> > to perform as a BIPs editor and it's something that he's already doing=
,
>> > so I think there's an excellent fit of person to role.
>> >=20
>> > -Dave
>> >=20
>> > [1]
>> > https://gnusha.org/pi/bitcoindev/2092f7ff-4860-47f8...@achow101.com/
>> > <https://gnusha.org/pi/bitcoindev/2092f7ff-4860-47f8...@achow101.com/=
=20
>> <https://gnusha.org/pi/bitcoindev/2092f7ff-4860-47f8-ba1a-c9d97927551e@a=
chow101.com/>
>> >
>> > [2]
>> > https://gnusha.org/pi/bitcoindev/9288df7b-f2e9-4106...@dashjr.org/
>> > <https://gnusha.org/pi/bitcoindev/9288df7b-f2e9-4106...@dashjr.org/=20
>> <https://gnusha.org/pi/bitcoindev/9288df7b-f2e9-4106-b843-c1ff8f8a62a3@d=
ashjr.org/>
>> >
>> > [3]
>> > https://gnusha.org/pi/bitcoindev/d1e7183c-30e6-4f1a...@googlegroups.co=
m/=20
>> <https://gnusha.org/pi/bitcoindev/d1e7183c-30e6-4f1a...@googlegroups.com=
/=20
>> <https://gnusha.org/pi/bitcoindev/d1e7183c-30e6-4f1a-8fd6-cddc46f129a2n@=
googlegroups.com/>
>> >
>> > [4]
>> > https://gnusha.org/pi/bitcoindev/84309c3f-e848-d333...@netpurgatory.co=
m/=20
>> <https://gnusha.org/pi/bitcoindev/84309c3f-e848-d333...@netpurgatory.com=
/=20
>> <https://gnusha.org/pi/bitcoindev/84309c3f-e848-d333-fd28-bdd55899b713@n=
etpurgatory.com/>
>> >
>> > [5]
>> > https://gnusha.org/pi/bitcoindev/4c1462b7-ea1c-4a36...@googlegroups.co=
m/=20
>> <https://gnusha.org/pi/bitcoindev/4c1462b7-ea1c-4a36...@googlegroups.com=
/=20
>> <https://gnusha.org/pi/bitcoindev/4c1462b7-ea1c-4a36-be81-7c3719157fabn@=
googlegroups.com/>
>> >
>> > [6]
>> > https://gnusha.org/pi/bitcoindev/a116fba3-5948-48d2...@googlegroups.co=
m/=20
>> <https://gnusha.org/pi/bitcoindev/a116fba3-5948-48d2...@googlegroups.com=
/=20
>> <https://gnusha.org/pi/bitcoindev/a116fba3-5948-48d2-a787-639a3564d006n@=
googlegroups.com/>
>> >
>> > [7]
>> > https://gnusha.org/pi/bitcoindev/846b668f-8386-4869...@googlegroups.co=
m/=20
>> <https://gnusha.org/pi/bitcoindev/846b668f-8386-4869...@googlegroups.com=
/=20
>> <https://gnusha.org/pi/bitcoindev/846b668f-8386-4869-a3b1-55d346efbea1n@=
googlegroups.com/>
>> >
>> > [8]
>> >=20
>> https://gnusha.org/pi/bitcoindev/CALeFGL1-LKPWd7YRS110ut8tX=3DwruqgLEazR=
A5...@mail.gmail.com/=20
>> <
>> https://gnusha.org/pi/bitcoindev/CALeFGL1-LKPWd7YRS110ut8tX=3DwruqgLEazR=
A5...@mail.gmail.com/=20
>> <https://gnusha.org/pi/bitcoindev/CALeFGL1-LKPWd7YRS110ut8tX=3DwruqgLEaz=
RA5nVw9siYCPj4A@mail.gmail.com/>
>> >
>> > [9] https://gnusha.org/pi/bitcoindev/ZgePPvbf...@petertodd.org/
>> > <https://gnusha.org/pi/bitcoindev/ZgePPvbf...@petertodd.org/=20
>> <https://gnusha.org/pi/bitcoindev/ZgePPvbfrr4wZG7k@petertodd.org/>>
>> > [10]
>> > https://gnusha.org/pi/bitcoindev/f9435999-42df-46b5...@mattcorallo.com=
/=20
>> <https://gnusha.org/pi/bitcoindev/f9435999-42df-46b5...@mattcorallo.com/=
=20
>> <https://gnusha.org/pi/bitcoindev/f9435999-42df-46b5-86e2-7ba0336a9bf2@m=
attcorallo.com/>
>> >
>> > [11] https://gnusha.org/pi/bitcoindev/ZgWRu32FXzqqg69V@console/
>> > <https://gnusha.org/pi/bitcoindev/ZgWRu32FXzqqg69V@console/>
>> > [12]
>> >=20
>> https://gnusha.org/pi/bitcoindev/CALZpt+E8DohYEJ9aO+FiF6+E...@mail.gmail=
.com/=20
>> <
>> https://gnusha.org/pi/bitcoindev/CALZpt+E8DohYEJ9aO+FiF6+E...@mail.gmail=
.com/=20
>> <https://gnusha.org/pi/bitcoindev/CALZpt+E8DohYEJ9aO+FiF6+EKMCP5oEbHSKSX=
pq0VKVBhJLhrw@mail.gmail.com/>
>> >
>> > [13]
>> > https://gnusha.org/pi/bitcoindev/53a0015c-b76a-441a...@murch.one/
>> > <https://gnusha.org/pi/bitcoindev/53a0015c-b76a-441a...@murch.one/=20
>> <https://gnusha.org/pi/bitcoindev/53a0015c-b76a-441a-920b-32bd88d5e778@m=
urch.one/>
>> >
>> > [14]
>> > https://gnusha.org/pi/bitcoindev/ae482890-bce3-468f...@achow101.com/
>> > <https://gnusha.org/pi/bitcoindev/ae482890-bce3-468f...@achow101.com/=
=20
>> <https://gnusha.org/pi/bitcoindev/ae482890-bce3-468f-866d-c555b80b0644@a=
chow101.com/>
>> >
>> > [15]
>> >=20
>> https://gnusha.org/pi/bitcoindev/ppBS1tfMU3SFX85kmIBVBd0WpT5Wof_oSBXsuiz=
h7692AUDw2TojfvCqvcvlmsy9E69qfWMxK-UZWawf8IDApPqF7bXOH4gwU1c2jS4xojo=3D@pro=
tonmail.com/=20
>> <
>> https://gnusha.org/pi/bitcoindev/ppBS1tfMU3SFX85kmIBVBd0WpT5Wof_oSBXsuiz=
h7692AUDw2TojfvCqvcvlmsy9E69qfWMxK-UZWawf8IDApPqF7bXOH4gwU1c2jS4xojo=3D@pro=
tonmail.com/
>> >
>> > [16]
>> > https://gnusha.org/pi/bitcoindev/ad284018-e99c-4552...@googlegroups.co=
m/=20
>> <https://gnusha.org/pi/bitcoindev/ad284018-e99c-4552...@googlegroups.com=
/=20
>> <https://gnusha.org/pi/bitcoindev/ad284018-e99c-4552-88ca-11b9ed340661n@=
googlegroups.com/>
>> >
>> > [17]
>> >=20
>> https://gnusha.org/pi/bitcoindev/CAMHHROw9mZJRnTbUo76PdqwJU=3D=3DYJMvd9Q=
rst+...@mail.gmail.com/=20
>> <
>> https://gnusha.org/pi/bitcoindev/CAMHHROw9mZJRnTbUo76PdqwJU=3D=3DYJMvd9Q=
rst+...@mail.gmail.com/=20
>> <https://gnusha.org/pi/bitcoindev/CAMHHROw9mZJRnTbUo76PdqwJU=3D=3DYJMvd9=
Qrst+nmyypaedYZgg@mail.gmail.com/>
>> >
>> >=20
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<html><head></head><body><div dir=3D"auto">No, there was no such refusal. T=
he ONLY issue at hand with regard to more BIP editors is that I don't have =
time to keep up with it by myself. If your goal is anything else, please si=
t this discussion out (aside from perhaps reasonable objections to new edit=
ors). BIP number assignments are trivial and not a concern.<br><br>It seems=
 there's an attempt to take advantage of the need for more BIP editors to c=
hange or bypass the BIP process without proper procedures followed. While t=
here may be arguments for improving the BIP process, that is unrelated and =
would need to go through a BIP, not simply fiat of a new editor. Any potent=
ial new editor will need to follow the BIP process as it currently is defin=
ed until such a new BIP is accepted.<br><br>Luke</div><br><br><div class=3D=
"gmail_quote"><div dir=3D"auto">On April 2, 2024 7:49:22 AM CST, /dev /fd0 =
&lt;alicexbtong@gmail.com&gt; wrote:</div><blockquote class=3D"gmail_quote"=
 style=3D"margin: 0pt 0pt 0pt 0.8ex; border-left: 1px solid rgb(204, 204, 2=
04); padding-left: 1ex;">
&gt;&nbsp;

Does it matter? The number that a proposal gets has no impact on<br>&gt; li=
terally anything else. They could do it sequentially and it wouldn't<br>&gt=
; actually make a difference as long as there are no collisions.<div><br></=
div><div>Process followed to assign the number started this whole debate re=
cently and creation of BINANA. Previous BIP editor refused to assign number=
s to some BIPs. Kanzure had [tweeted][0] asking users on twitter if a BIP s=
hould be assigned number. So I am curious what process exactly would be fol=
lowed by new BIP editors.</div><div><br></div><div>&gt; For example, this w=
as done when Luke was hacked -</div>&gt; all of his permissions were immedi=
ately removed as soon as the news came<br>&gt; out, and were only returned =
several months later once verified<br>&gt; communication with Luke were est=
ablished and he was certain that his<br>&gt; GitHub account was no longer (=
at risk of being) compromised.<div><br></div><div>Thanks for sharing. I was=
n't aware of this.<br><div><br></div><div>[0]:&nbsp;https://x.com/kanzure/s=
tatus/1752663903715168280</div><div><br></div><div>/dev/fd0</div><div>flopp=
y disk guy<br><br></div></div><div class=3D"gmail_quote"><div dir=3D"auto" =
class=3D"gmail_attr">On Tuesday, April 2, 2024 at 8:22:16=E2=80=AFAM UTC Av=
a Chow wrote:<br></div><blockquote class=3D"gmail_quote" style=3D"margin: 0=
 0 0 0.8ex; border-left: 1px solid rgb(204, 204, 204); padding-left: 1ex;">
<br>
<br>On 04/01/2024 07:55 PM, /dev /fd0 wrote:
<br>&gt; I think before we decide new BIP editors its important to discuss =
some=20
<br>&gt; things about the process itself:
<br>&gt;=20
<br>&gt; 1. Quoting first paragraph from BIPs repo README: "People wishing =
to=20
<br>&gt; submit BIPs, first should propose their idea or document to the=20
<br>&gt; <a href data-email-masked rel=3D"nofollow">bitco...@lists.linuxfou=
ndation.org</a> mailing list (do not assign a=20
<br>&gt; number - read BIP 2 for the full process). After discussion, pleas=
e open=20
<br>&gt; a PR. After copy-editing and acceptance, it will be published here=
."
<br>&gt;=20
<br>&gt; If Kanzure and Ruben are BIP editors, does it mean they can censor=
=20
<br>&gt; someone from submitting BIPs? This question makes sense because th=
ey=20
<br>&gt; will have control over the whole improvement process for "bitcoin"=
 by=20
<br>&gt; being moderators for mailing list and BIP editors.
<br>
<br>If the only requirement is that a BIP shows up on the mailing list=20
<br>first, then they can already censor them. Having them as BIP editors=20
<br>wouldn't change that. It's not clear to me that this requirement is=20
<br>strictly enforced anyways.
<br>
<br>Furthermore, they would not have the permissions to delete PRs or=20
<br>issues, so once a PR is opened, even if closed, would still be there.=
=20
<br>The status quo w.r.t that would not be any different. At worst, they=20
<br>could refuse to assign a BIP a number, but that's no different than wha=
t=20
<br>already happens today. In fact, the situation would likely be better=20
<br>because there would be multiple BIP editors and so what goes into the=
=20
<br>repo is not at the whim of a single person.
<br>
<br>&gt; 2. How are numbers going to be assigned to BIPs?
<br>
<br>Does it matter? The number that a proposal gets has no impact on=20
<br>literally anything else. They could do it sequentially and it wouldn't=
=20
<br>actually make a difference as long as there are no collisions.
<br>
<br>&gt; 3. Will there be copy of BIPs and pull requests maintained elsewhe=
re=20
<br>&gt; like bitcoin core?
<br>
<br>I'm not sure why this is relevant to this discussion, but presumably=20
<br>there already are, and if there aren't, you can do it yourself. It's=20
<br>just like any other repo on GitHub.
<br>
<br>&gt; 4. What are the expectations from new BIP editors? In what situati=
on do=20
<br>&gt; we look for next BIP editors or in other words, what will be the p=
rocess=20
<br>&gt; to remove an editor if lot of people are unhappy with their work?
<br>
<br>The expectations are as outlined to BIP 2, and that they are actually=
=20
<br>active. The situation for looking for new BIP editors in the future is=
=20
<br>presumably similar to the one we are in currently - people who write=20
<br>BIPs are frustrated with things taking a long time to be merged with th=
e=20
<br>root cause being slow response times from the current editor. The=20
<br>process would likely be very similar: names are proposed, there is=20
<br>discussion about those people, and eventually some are added.
<br>
<br>As for removal, this has not been something we've ever done before, so=
=20
<br>the process for this is undefined. However, it would presumably be a=20
<br>similar procedure as for adding someone. It begins with someone raising=
=20
<br>a complaint about one of the editors on this mailing list or some other=
=20
<br>place a discussion, and a community discussion commences about whether=
=20
<br>or not to remove them.
<br>
<br>There are certainly situations where one of the GitHub org owners may=
=20
<br>take emergency action and remove a maintainer's privileges. This is onl=
y=20
<br>done when there is a clear danger than the account may do something=20
<br>malicious, and the privileges would be returned if there is clarity tha=
t=20
<br>it is safe to do so. For example, this was done when Luke was hacked -=
=20
<br>all of his permissions were immediately removed as soon as the news cam=
e=20
<br>out, and were only returned several months later once verified=20
<br>communication with Luke were established and he was certain that his=20
<br>GitHub account was no longer (at risk of being) compromised.
<br>
<br>Ava
<br>
<br>&gt;=20
<br>&gt; /dev/fd0
<br>&gt; floppy disk guy
<br>&gt;=20
<br>&gt; On Monday, April 1, 2024 at 9:16:54=E2=80=AFPM UTC David A. Hardin=
g wrote:
<br>&gt;=20
<br>&gt;     On 2024-03-28 10:04, Matt Corallo wrote:
<br>&gt;      &gt; Please provide justification rather than simply saying "=
I like
<br>&gt;     Bob!".
<br>&gt;=20
<br>&gt;     Using only comments from the mailing list, the following appea=
rs to be
<br>&gt;     the candidate list along with the current support. Asterisks d=
enote
<br>&gt;     candidates who indicated their willingness to accept the role.
<br>&gt;=20
<br>&gt;     - Bryan "Kanzure" Bishop, recommended by Ava Chow[1], Chris St=
ewart[3],
<br>&gt;     Michael Folkson[6], Peter Todd[9], Matt Corallo[10], Brandon
<br>&gt;     Black[11],
<br>&gt;     Antoine Riard[12], Murch[13], Antoine Poinsot[15], John Carval=
ho[16]
<br>&gt;=20
<br>&gt;     - Ruben Somsen, recommended by Ava Chow[1], Chris Stewart[3], =
Michael
<br>&gt;     Folkson[6], Antoine Riard[12], Murch[13], Antoine Poinsot[15],=
 John
<br>&gt;     Carvalho[16]
<br>&gt;=20
<br>&gt;     - Jon Atack*, recommended by Luke Dashjr[2], Chris Stewart[3],
<br>&gt;     /dev/fd0[5][7],
<br>&gt;     Brandon Black[11], Antoine Riard[12], Ava Chow[14], John Carva=
lho[16]
<br>&gt;=20
<br>&gt;     - Olaoluwa "Roasbeef" Osuntokun, recommended by Chris Stewart[=
3], John
<br>&gt;     C. Vernaleo[4], /dev/fd0[5][7], Keagan McClelland[8], Antoine
<br>&gt;     Riard[12], Ava Chow[14]
<br>&gt;=20
<br>&gt;     - Mark "Murch" Erhardt*, recommended by Michael Folkson[6], Ke=
agan
<br>&gt;     McClelland[8], Matt Corallo[10], Brandon Black[11], Antoine Ri=
ard[12],
<br>&gt;     Ava Chow[14]
<br>&gt;=20
<br>&gt;     - Michael Folkson*
<br>&gt;=20
<br>&gt;     Note: Luke Dashjr proposed[17] Seccour and Greg Tonoski for "n=
on-dev
<br>&gt;     triaging", Tonoski proposed himself[18] for "BIP editor", and =
Antoine
<br>&gt;     Riard[12] proposed Seccour for "decentralized PM".
<br>&gt;=20
<br>&gt;     I searched the BIPs repo by commenter to see if any of the abo=
ve
<br>&gt;     candidates had been especially active there, which is listed b=
elow as:
<br>&gt;     total PRs they commented on (number still open/number closed).
<br>&gt;=20
<br>&gt;     - 21 (1/20) commenter:kanzure
<br>&gt;     - 3 (2/1) commenter:rubensomsen
<br>&gt;     - 15 (0/15) commenter:jonatack
<br>&gt;     - 18 (2/16) commenter:roasbeef
<br>&gt;     - 10 (6/4) commenter:Murchandamus
<br>&gt;     - 57 (6/51) commenter:michaelfolkson
<br>&gt;=20
<br>&gt;     I'll also note that Osuntokun is the only member of the set to=
 have a
<br>&gt;     merged BIP that they co-authored, although I believe there are
<br>&gt;     far-along
<br>&gt;     draft BIPs for both Murch (terminology) and Somsen (Silent Pay=
ments). I
<br>&gt;     don't think this should be a requirement, but I do think it
<br>&gt;     demonstrates
<br>&gt;     familiarity with the process.
<br>&gt;=20
<br>&gt;     Speaking only for myself, I think all of the candidates above =
with
<br>&gt;     multiple recommendations from other community participants are=
 fully
<br>&gt;     qualified for the role, so I'll only provide a detailed justif=
ication
<br>&gt;     for the person who would be my first pick: Murch is not only a
<br>&gt;     longstanding and broadly liked Bitcoin contributor, but (as Co=
rallo
<br>&gt;     mentioned) he has worked on standardizing terminology through =
a draft
<br>&gt;     BIP. In addition, he provided an extremely detailed review of =
all 300
<br>&gt;     pages of a draft of Mastering Bitcoin (3rd edition) and has re=
viewed
<br>&gt;     drafts of over 200 weekly Optech newsletters, in both cases
<br>&gt;     significantly improving the accuracy and comprehensibility of =
the
<br>&gt;     documentation. To me, that seems very similar to the work we'd=
 ask him
<br>&gt;     to perform as a BIPs editor and it's something that he's alrea=
dy doing,
<br>&gt;     so I think there's an excellent fit of person to role.
<br>&gt;=20
<br>&gt;     -Dave
<br>&gt;=20
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