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Fairly useless experiment, since the vast majority of users will almost
always stay at the default. The winner will always be whatever was
selected as the default initially. This might work if the default was
randomly chosen, and you see what actually annoyed users enough to switch
off of it most often.
On Fri, Mar 14, 2014 at 11:51 AM, Ricardo Filipe
<ricardojdfilipe@gmail.com>wrote:
> so much discussion for a visual update...
>
> make this a user experiment:
> -give the user the possibility to use BTC/mBTC/uMTC
> -retrieve the results after some time
> -make the default the most used option
>
>
> 2014-03-14 16:15 GMT+00:00 Alex Morcos <morcos@gmail.com>:
> > I think Mark makes some good arguments.
> > I realize this would only add to the confusion, but...
> > What if we did relabel 100 satoshis to be some new kind of unit ("bit" =
or
> > whatever else), with a proper 3 letter code, and then from a user
> > standpoint, where people are using mBTC, they could switch to using Kbi=
ts
> > (ok thats obviously bad, but you get the idea) at the same nominal pric=
e.
> > But accounting backends and so forth would operate in the "bit" base un=
it
> > with 2 decimals of precision.
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > On Fri, Mar 14, 2014 at 12:01 PM, Mark Friedenbach <mark@monetize.io>
> wrote:
> >>
> >> A cup of coffee in Tokyo costs about 55 yen. You see similar magnitude
> >> numbers in both Chinas, Thailand, and other economically important Eas=
t
> >> Asian countries. Expect to pay hundreds of rupees in India, or thousan=
ds
> >> of rupees in Indonesia.
> >>
> >> This concept that money should have low, single digits for everyday
> >> prices is not just Western-centric, it's English-centric. An expresso =
in
> >> Rome would have cost you a few (tens of?) thousand lira in recent
> >> memory. It was pegging of the Euro to the U.S. dollar that brought
> >> European states in line with the English-speaking world (who themselve=
s
> >> trace lineage to the pound sterling).
> >>
> >> No, there is no culturally-neutral common standards for currency and
> >> pricing. But there are ill-advised, ill-informed "standards" in
> >> accounting software that we nevertheless must live with. These softwar=
e
> >> packages do not handle more than two decimal places gracefully. That
> >> gives technical justifications for moving to either uBTC or accounting
> >> in Satoshis directly. An argument for uBTC is that it retains alignmen=
t
> >> with the existing kBTC/BTC/mBTC/uBTC conventions.
> >>
> >> However another limitation of these accounting software practices is
> >> that they do not always handle SI notation very well, particularly
> >> sub-unit prefixes. By relabeling uBTC to be a new three-digit symbol
> >> (XBT, XBC, IBT, NBC, or whatever--I really don't care), we are now ful=
ly
> >> compliant with any software accounting package out there.
> >>
> >> We are still very, very early in the adoption period. These are change=
s
> >> that could be made now simply by a few big players and/or the bitcoin
> >> foundation changing their practice and their users following suit.
> >>
> >> On 03/14/2014 07:49 AM, Andreas Schildbach wrote:
> >> > How much do you pay for an Espresso in your local currency?
> >> >
> >> > At least for the Euro and the Dollar, mBTC 3.56 is very close to wha=
t
> >> > people would expect. Certainly more familiar than =C2=B5BTC 3558 or =
BTC
> >> > 0.003578.
> >> >
> >> > Anyway, I was just sharing real-world experience: nobody is confused=
.
> >> >
> >> >
> >> > On 03/14/2014 03:14 PM, Tamas Blummer wrote:
> >> >> You give them a hard to interpret thing like mBTC and then wonder
> >> >> why they rather look at local currency. Because the choices you
> >> >> gave them are bad.
> >> >>
> >> >> I think Bitcoin would have a better chance to be percieved as a
> >> >> currency of its own if it had prices and fractions like currencies
> >> >> do.
> >> >>
> >> >> 3.558 mBTC or 0.003578 BTC will never be as accepted as 3558 bits
> >> >> would be.
> >> >>
> >> >>
> >> >> Tamas Blummer Bits of Proof
> >> >>
> >> >> On 14.03.2014, at 15:05, Andreas Schildbach <andreas@schildbach.de>
> >> >> wrote:
> >> >>
> >> >>> btw. None of Bitcoin Wallet's users complained about confusion
> >> >>> because of the mBTC switch. In contrast, I get many mails and
> >> >>> questions if exchange rates happen to differ by >10%.
> >> >>>
> >> >>> I suspect nobody looks at the Bitcoin price. It's the amount in
> >> >>> local currency that matters to the users.
> >> >>>
> >> >>>
> >> >>> On 03/13/2014 02:40 PM, Andreas Schildbach wrote:
> >> >>>> Indeed. And users were crying for mBTC. Nobody was asking for
> >> >>>> =C2=B5BTC.
> >> >>>>
> >> >>>> I must admit I was not aware if this thread. I just watched
> >> >>>> other wallets and at some point decided its time to switch to
> >> >>>> mBTC.
> >> >>>>
> >> >>>>
> >> >>>> On 03/13/2014 02:31 PM, Mike Hearn wrote:
> >> >>>>> The standard has become mBTC and that's what was adopted.
> >> >>>>> It's too late to try and sway this on a mailing list thread
> >> >>>>> now.
> >> >>>>>
> >> >>>>>
> >> >>>>> On Thu, Mar 13, 2014 at 2:29 PM, Gary Rowe
> >> >>>>> <g.rowe@froot.co.uk <mailto:g.rowe@froot.co.uk>> wrote:
> >> >>>>>
> >> >>>>> The MultiBit HD view is that this is a locale-sensitive
> >> >>>>> presentation issue. As a result we offer a simple
> >> >>>>> configuration panel giving pretty much every possible
> >> >>>>> combination: icon, m+icon, =CE=BC+icon, BTC, mBTC, =CE=BCBTC, =
XBT,
> >> >>>>> mXBT, =CE=BCXBT, sat along with settings for leading/trailing
> >> >>>>> symbol, commas, spaces and points. This allows anyone to
> >> >>>>> customise to meet their own needs beyond the offered default.
> >> >>>>>
> >> >>>>>
> >> >>>>> We apply the NIST guidelines for representation of SI unit
> >> >>>>> symbols (i.e no conversion to native language, no RTL giving
> >> >>>>> icon+m etc).
> >> >>>>>
> >> >>>>> Right now MultiBit HD is configured to use m+icon taken from
> >> >>>>> the Font Awesome icon set. However reading earlier posts it
> >> >>>>> seems that =CE=BC+icon is more sensible.
> >> >>>>>
> >> >>>>> Let us know what you'd like.
> >> >>>>>
> >> >>>>> Links: m+icon screenshot: http://imgur.com/a/WCDoG Font
> >> >>>>> Awesome icon:
> >> >>>>> http://fortawesome.github.io/Font-Awesome/icon/btc/ NIST SI
> >> >>>>> guidelines: http://physics.nist.gov/Pubs/SP811/sec07.html
> >> >>>>>
> >> >>>>>
> >> >>>>> On 13 March 2014 12:56, Jeff Garzik <jgarzik@bitpay.com
> >> >>>>> <mailto:jgarzik@bitpay.com>> wrote:
> >> >>>>>
> >> >>>>> Resurrecting this topic. Bitcoin Wallet moved to mBTC
> >> >>>>> several weeks ago, which was disappointing -- it sounded like
> >> >>>>> the consensus was uBTC, and moving to uBTC later --which will
> >> >>>>> happen-- may result in additional user confusion, thanks to
> >> >>>>> yet another decimal place transition.
> >> >>>>>
> >> >>>>>
> >> >>>>>
> >> >>>>> On Sun, Nov 17, 2013 at 9:28 PM, Wendell <w@grabhive.com
> >> >>>>> <mailto:w@grabhive.com>> wrote:
> >> >>>>>> We're with uBTC too. Been waiting for the signal to do
> >> >>>>>> this,
> >> >>>>> let's do it right after the fee system is improved.
> >> >>>>>>
> >> >>>>>> -wendell
> >> >>>>>>
> >> >>>>>> grabhive.com <http://grabhive.com> |
> >> >>>>>> twitter.com/hivewallet
> >> >>>>> <http://twitter.com/hivewallet> | gpg: 6C0C9411
> >> >>>>>>
> >> >>>>>> On Nov 15, 2013, at 6:03 AM, Jeff Garzik wrote:
> >> >>>>>>
> >> >>>>>>> Go straight to uBTC. Humans and existing computer
> >> >>>>>>> systems
> >> >>>>> handle numbers to
> >> >>>>>>> the left of the decimals just fine (HK Dollars, Yen).
> >> >>>>>>> The
> >> >>>>> opposite is
> >> >>>>>>> untrue (QuickBooks really does not like 3+ decimal
> >> >>>>>>> places).
> >> >>>>>>
> >> >>>>>
> >> >>>>>
> >> >>>>>
> >> >>>>> -- Jeff Garzik Bitcoin core developer and open source
> >> >>>>> evangelist BitPay, Inc. https://bitpay.com/
> >> >>>>>
> >> >>>>>
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<div dir=3D"ltr">Fairly useless experiment, since the vast majority of user=
s will almost always stay at the default. =C2=A0The winner will always be w=
hatever was selected as the default initially. =C2=A0This might work if the=
default was randomly chosen, and you see what actually annoyed users enoug=
h to switch off of it most often.</div>
<div class=3D"gmail_extra"><br><br><div class=3D"gmail_quote">On Fri, Mar 1=
4, 2014 at 11:51 AM, Ricardo Filipe <span dir=3D"ltr"><<a href=3D"mailto=
:ricardojdfilipe@gmail.com" target=3D"_blank">ricardojdfilipe@gmail.com</a>=
></span> wrote:<br>
<blockquote class=3D"gmail_quote" style=3D"margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1p=
x #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex">so much discussion for a visual update...<br=
>
<br>
make this a user experiment:<br>
-give the user the possibility to use BTC/mBTC/uMTC<br>
-retrieve the results after some time<br>
-make the default the most used option<br>
<br>
<br>
2014-03-14 16:15 GMT+00:00 Alex Morcos <<a href=3D"mailto:morcos@gmail.c=
om">morcos@gmail.com</a>>:<br>
<div class=3D"HOEnZb"><div class=3D"h5">> I think Mark makes some good a=
rguments.<br>
> I realize this would only add to the confusion, but...<br>
> What if we did relabel 100 satoshis to be some new kind of unit ("=
;bit" or<br>
> whatever else), with a proper 3 letter code, and then from a user<br>
> standpoint, where people are using mBTC, they could switch to using Kb=
its<br>
> (ok thats obviously bad, but you get the idea) at the same nominal pri=
ce.<br>
> But accounting backends and so forth would operate in the "bit&qu=
ot; base unit<br>
> with 2 decimals of precision.<br>
><br>
><br>
><br>
><br>
> On Fri, Mar 14, 2014 at 12:01 PM, Mark Friedenbach <<a href=3D"mail=
to:mark@monetize.io">mark@monetize.io</a>> wrote:<br>
>><br>
>> A cup of coffee in Tokyo costs about 55 yen. You see similar magni=
tude<br>
>> numbers in both Chinas, Thailand, and other economically important=
East<br>
>> Asian countries. Expect to pay hundreds of rupees in India, or tho=
usands<br>
>> of rupees in Indonesia.<br>
>><br>
>> This concept that money should have low, single digits for everyda=
y<br>
>> prices is not just Western-centric, it's English-centric. An e=
xpresso in<br>
>> Rome would have cost you a few (tens of?) thousand lira in recent<=
br>
>> memory. It was pegging of the Euro to the U.S. dollar that brought=
<br>
>> European states in line with the English-speaking world (who thems=
elves<br>
>> trace lineage to the pound sterling).<br>
>><br>
>> No, there is no culturally-neutral common standards for currency a=
nd<br>
>> pricing. But there are ill-advised, ill-informed "standards&q=
uot; in<br>
>> accounting software that we nevertheless must live with. These sof=
tware<br>
>> packages do not handle more than two decimal places gracefully. Th=
at<br>
>> gives technical justifications for moving to either uBTC or accoun=
ting<br>
>> in Satoshis directly. An argument for uBTC is that it retains alig=
nment<br>
>> with the existing kBTC/BTC/mBTC/uBTC conventions.<br>
>><br>
>> However another limitation of these accounting software practices =
is<br>
>> that they do not always handle SI notation very well, particularly=
<br>
>> sub-unit prefixes. By relabeling uBTC to be a new three-digit symb=
ol<br>
>> (XBT, XBC, IBT, NBC, or whatever--I really don't care), we are=
now fully<br>
>> compliant with any software accounting package out there.<br>
>><br>
>> We are still very, very early in the adoption period. These are ch=
anges<br>
>> that could be made now simply by a few big players and/or the bitc=
oin<br>
>> foundation changing their practice and their users following suit.=
<br>
>><br>
>> On 03/14/2014 07:49 AM, Andreas Schildbach wrote:<br>
>> > How much do you pay for an Espresso in your local currency?<b=
r>
>> ><br>
>> > At least for the Euro and the Dollar, mBTC 3.56 is very close=
to what<br>
>> > people would expect. Certainly more familiar than =C2=B5BTC 3=
558 or BTC<br>
>> > 0.003578.<br>
>> ><br>
>> > Anyway, I was just sharing real-world experience: nobody is c=
onfused.<br>
>> ><br>
>> ><br>
>> > On 03/14/2014 03:14 PM, Tamas Blummer wrote:<br>
>> >> You give them a hard to interpret thing like mBTC and the=
n wonder<br>
>> >> why they rather look at local currency. Because the choic=
es you<br>
>> >> gave them are bad.<br>
>> >><br>
>> >> I think Bitcoin would have a better chance to be percieve=
d as a<br>
>> >> currency of its own if it had prices and fractions like c=
urrencies<br>
>> >> do.<br>
>> >><br>
>> >> 3.558 mBTC or 0.003578 BTC will never be as accepted as 3=
558 bits<br>
>> >> would be.<br>
>> >><br>
>> >><br>
>> >> Tamas Blummer Bits of Proof<br>
>> >><br>
>> >> On 14.03.2014, at 15:05, Andreas Schildbach <<a href=
=3D"mailto:andreas@schildbach.de">andreas@schildbach.de</a>><br>
>> >> wrote:<br>
>> >><br>
>> >>> btw. None of Bitcoin Wallet's users complained ab=
out confusion<br>
>> >>> because of the mBTC switch. In contrast, I get many m=
ails and<br>
>> >>> questions if exchange rates happen to differ by >1=
0%.<br>
>> >>><br>
>> >>> I suspect nobody looks at the Bitcoin price. It's=
the amount in<br>
>> >>> local currency that matters to the users.<br>
>> >>><br>
>> >>><br>
>> >>> On 03/13/2014 02:40 PM, Andreas Schildbach wrote:<br>
>> >>>> Indeed. And users were crying for mBTC. Nobody wa=
s asking for<br>
>> >>>> =C2=B5BTC.<br>
>> >>>><br>
>> >>>> I must admit I was not aware if this thread. I ju=
st watched<br>
>> >>>> other wallets and at some point decided its time =
to switch to<br>
>> >>>> mBTC.<br>
>> >>>><br>
>> >>>><br>
>> >>>> On 03/13/2014 02:31 PM, Mike Hearn wrote:<br>
>> >>>>> The standard has become mBTC and that's w=
hat was adopted.<br>
>> >>>>> It's too late to try and sway this on a m=
ailing list thread<br>
>> >>>>> now.<br>
>> >>>>><br>
>> >>>>><br>
>> >>>>> On Thu, Mar 13, 2014 at 2:29 PM, Gary Rowe<br=
>
>> >>>>> <<a href=3D"mailto:g.rowe@froot.co.uk">g.r=
owe@froot.co.uk</a> <mailto:<a href=3D"mailto:g.rowe@froot.co.uk">g.rowe=
@froot.co.uk</a>>> wrote:<br>
>> >>>>><br>
>> >>>>> The MultiBit HD view is that this is a locale=
-sensitive<br>
>> >>>>> presentation issue. As a result we offer a si=
mple<br>
>> >>>>> configuration panel giving pretty much every =
possible<br>
>> >>>>> combination: icon, m+icon, =C2=A0=CE=BC+icon,=
BTC, mBTC, =C2=A0=CE=BCBTC, XBT,<br>
>> >>>>> mXBT, =C2=A0=CE=BCXBT, sat along with setting=
s for leading/trailing<br>
>> >>>>> symbol, commas, spaces and points. This allow=
s anyone to<br>
>> >>>>> customise to meet their own needs beyond the =
offered default.<br>
>> >>>>><br>
>> >>>>><br>
>> >>>>> We apply the NIST guidelines for representati=
on of SI unit<br>
>> >>>>> symbols (i.e no conversion to native language=
, no RTL giving<br>
>> >>>>> icon+m etc).<br>
>> >>>>><br>
>> >>>>> Right now MultiBit HD is configured to use m+=
icon taken from<br>
>> >>>>> the Font Awesome icon set. However reading ea=
rlier posts it<br>
>> >>>>> seems that =CE=BC+icon is more sensible.<br>
>> >>>>><br>
>> >>>>> Let us know what you'd like.<br>
>> >>>>><br>
>> >>>>> Links: m+icon screenshot: <a href=3D"http://i=
mgur.com/a/WCDoG" target=3D"_blank">http://imgur.com/a/WCDoG</a> Font<br>
>> >>>>> Awesome icon:<br>
>> >>>>> <a href=3D"http://fortawesome.github.io/Font-=
Awesome/icon/btc/" target=3D"_blank">http://fortawesome.github.io/Font-Awes=
ome/icon/btc/</a> NIST SI<br>
>> >>>>> guidelines: <a href=3D"http://physics.nist.go=
v/Pubs/SP811/sec07.html" target=3D"_blank">http://physics.nist.gov/Pubs/SP8=
11/sec07.html</a><br>
>> >>>>><br>
>> >>>>><br>
>> >>>>> On 13 March 2014 12:56, Jeff Garzik <<a hr=
ef=3D"mailto:jgarzik@bitpay.com">jgarzik@bitpay.com</a><br>
>> >>>>> <mailto:<a href=3D"mailto:jgarzik@bitpay.c=
om">jgarzik@bitpay.com</a>>> wrote:<br>
>> >>>>><br>
>> >>>>> Resurrecting this topic. =C2=A0Bitcoin Wallet=
moved to mBTC<br>
>> >>>>> several weeks ago, which was disappointing --=
it sounded like<br>
>> >>>>> the consensus was uBTC, and moving to uBTC la=
ter --which will<br>
>> >>>>> happen-- may result in additional user confus=
ion, thanks to<br>
>> >>>>> yet another decimal place transition.<br>
>> >>>>><br>
>> >>>>><br>
>> >>>>><br>
>> >>>>> On Sun, Nov 17, 2013 at 9:28 PM, Wendell <=
<a href=3D"mailto:w@grabhive.com">w@grabhive.com</a><br>
>> >>>>> <mailto:<a href=3D"mailto:w@grabhive.com">=
w@grabhive.com</a>>> wrote:<br>
>> >>>>>> We're with uBTC too. Been waiting for=
the signal to do<br>
>> >>>>>> this,<br>
>> >>>>> let's do it right after the fee system is=
improved.<br>
>> >>>>>><br>
>> >>>>>> -wendell<br>
>> >>>>>><br>
>> >>>>>> <a href=3D"http://grabhive.com" target=3D=
"_blank">grabhive.com</a> <<a href=3D"http://grabhive.com" target=3D"_bl=
ank">http://grabhive.com</a>> |<br>
>> >>>>>> <a href=3D"http://twitter.com/hivewallet"=
target=3D"_blank">twitter.com/hivewallet</a><br>
>> >>>>> <<a href=3D"http://twitter.com/hivewallet"=
target=3D"_blank">http://twitter.com/hivewallet</a>> | gpg: 6C0C9411<br=
>
>> >>>>>><br>
>> >>>>>> On Nov 15, 2013, at 6:03 AM, Jeff Garzik =
wrote:<br>
>> >>>>>><br>
>> >>>>>>> Go straight to uBTC. Humans and exist=
ing computer<br>
>> >>>>>>> systems<br>
>> >>>>> handle numbers to<br>
>> >>>>>>> the left of the decimals just fine (H=
K Dollars, Yen).<br>
>> >>>>>>> The<br>
>> >>>>> opposite is<br>
>> >>>>>>> untrue (QuickBooks really does not li=
ke 3+ decimal<br>
>> >>>>>>> places).<br>
>> >>>>>><br>
>> >>>>><br>
>> >>>>><br>
>> >>>>><br>
>> >>>>> -- Jeff Garzik Bitcoin core developer and ope=
n source<br>
>> >>>>> evangelist BitPay, Inc. =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0<=
a href=3D"https://bitpay.com/" target=3D"_blank">https://bitpay.com/</a><br=
>
>> >>>>><br>
>> >>>>><br>
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