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I think implicit QoS is far simpler to implement, requires less parties and i=
s closer to what Bitcoin started out as: a peer-to-peer digital cash system,=
 not a peer-to-let-me-handle-that-for-you-to-peer system.

jp

> On Jul 24, 2015, at 9:08 AM, Eric Lombrozo <elombrozo@gmail.com> wrote:
>=20
> By using third parties separate from individual miners that do bidding on y=
our behalf you get a mechanism that allows QoS guarantees and shifting the c=
omplexity and risk from the wallet with little computational resources to a s=
ervice with abundance of them. Using timelocked contracts it=A1=AFs possible=
 to enforce the guarantees.
>=20
> Negotiating directly with miners via smart contracts seems difficult at be=
st.
>=20
>=20
>> On Jul 23, 2015, at 6:03 PM, Jean-Paul Kogelman via bitcoin-dev <bitcoin-=
dev@lists.linuxfoundation.org> wrote:
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>> Doesn't matter.
>>=20
>> It's not going to be perfect given the block time variance among other fa=
ctors but it's far more workable than guessing whether or not your transacti=
on is going to end up in a block at all.
>>=20
>> jp
>>=20
>>=20
>>> On Jul 24, 2015, at 8:53 AM, Peter Todd <pete@petertodd.org> wrote:
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>>>> On 23 July 2015 20:49:20 GMT-04:00, Jean-Paul Kogelman via bitcoin-dev <=
bitcoin-dev@lists.linuxfoundation.org> wrote:
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>>>> And it's obvious how a size cap would interfere with such a QoS scheme.=

>>>> Miners wouldn't be able to deliver the below guarantees if they have to=

>>>> start excluding transactions.
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>>> As mining is a random, poisson process, obviously giving guarantees with=
out a majority of hashing power isn't possible.
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