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From: Nick Johnson <nick@ethereum.org>
Date: Wed, 07 Jun 2017 17:35:17 +0000
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On Wed, Jun 7, 2017 at 5:27 PM Tao Effect <contact@taoeffect.com> wrote:
> Nick,
>
> Please don't spread misinformation. Whatever you think of the DAO hard
> fork, it's a simple fact that the Ethereum ledger was not edited.
>
>
> This sort of email is unhelpful to this conversation, and it certainly
> doesn't help with the perception that Ethereum is nothing but a bunch of
> hypocritical Bankers 2.0.
>
>
> Everyone knows you didn't edit Ethereum Classic, but the the hard fork,
> which was re-branded as Ethereum, was edited.
>
That's not what I was suggesting. My point is that the ledger was never
edited. An 'irregular state change' was added at a specific block height,
but the ledger remains inviolate.
I'm sure I don't have to explain the difference between the ledger and the
state to you, or why it's significant that the ledger wasn't (and can't be,
practically) modified.
-Nick
> - Greg
>
> --
> Please do not email me anything that you are not comfortable also sharing with
> the NSA.
>
> On Jun 7, 2017, at 6:25 AM, Nick Johnson <nick@ethereum.org> wrote:
>
> On Wed, Jun 7, 2017 at 12:02 AM Gregory Maxwell via bitcoin-dev <
> bitcoin-dev@lists.linuxfoundation.org> wrote:
>
>> On Tue, Jun 6, 2017 at 10:39 PM, Tao Effect via bitcoin-dev
>> <bitcoin-dev@lists.linuxfoundation.org> wrote:
>> > I believe the severity of replay attacks is going unvoiced and is not
>> > understood within the bitcoin community because of their lack of
>> experience
>> > with them.
>>
>> Please don't insult our community-- the issues with replay were
>> pointed out by us to Ethereum in advance and were cited specifically
>> in prior hardfork discussions long before Ethereum started editing
>> their ledger for the economic benefit of its centralized
>> administrators.
>
>
> Please don't spread misinformation. Whatever you think of the DAO hard
> fork, it's a simple fact that the Ethereum ledger was not edited.
>
> -Nick Johnson
>
>
>
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<div dir=3D"ltr"><br><br><div class=3D"gmail_quote"><div dir=3D"ltr">On Wed=
, Jun 7, 2017 at 5:27 PM Tao Effect <<a href=3D"mailto:contact@taoeffect=
.com">contact@taoeffect.com</a>> wrote:<br></div><blockquote class=3D"gm=
ail_quote" style=3D"margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-le=
ft:1ex"><div style=3D"word-wrap:break-word">Nick,<div></div></div><div styl=
e=3D"word-wrap:break-word"><div><br><blockquote type=3D"cite"><div dir=3D"l=
tr"><div class=3D"gmail_quote"><div>Please don't spread misinformation.=
Whatever you think of the DAO hard fork, it's a simple fact that the E=
thereum ledger was not edited.</div></div></div></blockquote></div></div><d=
iv style=3D"word-wrap:break-word"><div><div><div dir=3D"ltr"><div class=3D"=
gmail_quote"><div><br></div><div>This sort of email is unhelpful to this co=
nversation, and it certainly doesn't help with the perception that Ethe=
reum is nothing but a bunch of hypocritical Bankers 2.0.</div></div></div><=
/div></div></div></blockquote><div>=C2=A0</div><blockquote class=3D"gmail_q=
uote" style=3D"margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1e=
x"><div style=3D"word-wrap:break-word"><div><div><div dir=3D"ltr"><div clas=
s=3D"gmail_quote"><div><br></div><div>Everyone knows you didn't edit Et=
hereum Classic, but the the hard fork, which was re-branded as Ethereum, wa=
s edited.</div></div></div></div></div></div></blockquote><div><br></div><d=
iv>That's not what I was suggesting. My point is that the ledger was ne=
ver edited. An 'irregular state change' was added at a specific blo=
ck height, but the ledger remains inviolate.</div><div><br></div><div>I'=
;m sure I don't have to explain the difference between the ledger and t=
he state to you, or why it's significant that the ledger wasn't (an=
d can't be, practically) modified.</div><div><br></div><div>-Nick</div>=
<div><br></div><blockquote class=3D"gmail_quote" style=3D"margin:0 0 0 .8ex=
;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex"><div style=3D"word-wrap:break=
-word"><div><div><div dir=3D"ltr"><div class=3D"gmail_quote"><div><br></div=
><div>- Greg</div></div></div></div></div></div><div style=3D"word-wrap:bre=
ak-word"><div><div>
<span style=3D"color:rgb(0,0,0);font-family:Helvetica;font-size:14px;font-s=
tyle:normal;font-variant-caps:normal;font-weight:normal;letter-spacing:norm=
al;text-align:start;text-indent:0px;text-transform:none;white-space:normal;=
word-spacing:0px;font-variant-ligatures:normal;font-variant-numeric:normal;=
font-variant-alternates:normal;font-variant-east-asian:normal;line-height:n=
ormal"><br class=3D"m_5027450713491352794Apple-interchange-newline">--</spa=
n><br style=3D"color:rgb(0,0,0);font-family:Helvetica;font-size:14px;font-s=
tyle:normal;font-variant-caps:normal;font-weight:normal;letter-spacing:norm=
al;text-align:start;text-indent:0px;text-transform:none;white-space:normal;=
word-spacing:0px;font-variant-ligatures:normal;font-variant-numeric:normal;=
font-variant-alternates:normal;font-variant-east-asian:normal;line-height:n=
ormal"><span style=3D"color:rgb(0,0,0);font-family:Helvetica;font-size:14px=
;font-style:normal;font-variant-caps:normal;font-weight:normal;letter-spaci=
ng:normal;text-align:start;text-indent:0px;text-transform:none;white-space:=
normal;word-spacing:0px;font-variant-ligatures:normal;font-variant-numeric:=
normal;font-variant-alternates:normal;font-variant-east-asian:normal;line-h=
eight:normal">Please do not email me anything that you are not comfortable =
also sharing</span><span style=3D"color:rgb(0,0,0);font-family:Helvetica;fo=
nt-size:14px;font-style:normal;font-variant-caps:normal;font-weight:normal;=
letter-spacing:normal;text-align:start;text-indent:0px;text-transform:none;=
white-space:normal;word-spacing:0px;font-variant-ligatures:normal;font-vari=
ant-numeric:normal;font-variant-alternates:normal;font-variant-east-asian:n=
ormal;line-height:normal">=C2=A0with the NSA.</span>
</div>
<br></div></div><div style=3D"word-wrap:break-word"><div><div><blockquote t=
ype=3D"cite"><div>On Jun 7, 2017, at 6:25 AM, Nick Johnson <<a href=3D"m=
ailto:nick@ethereum.org" target=3D"_blank">nick@ethereum.org</a>> wrote:=
</div><br class=3D"m_5027450713491352794Apple-interchange-newline"><div><di=
v dir=3D"ltr"><div class=3D"gmail_quote"><div dir=3D"ltr">On Wed, Jun 7, 20=
17 at 12:02 AM Gregory Maxwell via bitcoin-dev <<a href=3D"mailto:bitcoi=
n-dev@lists.linuxfoundation.org" target=3D"_blank">bitcoin-dev@lists.linuxf=
oundation.org</a>> wrote:<br></div><blockquote class=3D"gmail_quote" sty=
le=3D"margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex">On Tue=
, Jun 6, 2017 at 10:39 PM, Tao Effect via bitcoin-dev<br>
<<a href=3D"mailto:bitcoin-dev@lists.linuxfoundation.org" target=3D"_bla=
nk">bitcoin-dev@lists.linuxfoundation.org</a>> wrote:<br>
> I believe the severity of replay attacks is going unvoiced and is not<=
br>
> understood within the bitcoin community because of their lack of exper=
ience<br>
> with them.<br>
<br>
Please don't insult our community-- the issues with replay were<br>
pointed out by us to Ethereum in advance and were cited specifically<br>
in prior hardfork discussions long before Ethereum started editing<br>
their ledger for the economic benefit of its centralized<br>
administrators.</blockquote><div>=C2=A0=C2=A0</div><div>Please don't sp=
read misinformation. Whatever you think of the DAO hard fork, it's a si=
mple fact that the Ethereum ledger was not edited.</div><div><br></div><div=
>-Nick Johnson</div></div></div>
</div></blockquote></div><br></div></div></blockquote></div></div>
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