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You are right, that's what I have been saying for online services that
ask for private keys, and even the seeds
The problem is that people can't refrain to put their keys for example
to get "free" coins, typically they try to use bitcoin-transactions,
don't succeed and go put their seeds in an online service
At least it gives an alternative, private keys are optional and the tool
will output the command to use with bitcoin-transactions, and if they
want to put directly their keys, then...
"Move your coins by yourself" refers more to "don't get trapped by your
wallet(s) or things that you don't master like multisig, segwit, bech32,
etc"
As I said the idea would be to end up with an offline tool should some
people support/finance the effort
Le 01/08/2018 à 07:45, Marcel Jamin a écrit :
> IMHO you should almost never publish a service that asks users for
> private keys.
>
> A warning isn't enough. Your server might get compromised.
>
> "Move your coins by yourself" isn't even correct if your server is
> involved.
>
> On Tue, 31 Jul 2018 at 13:26, Aymeric Vitte via bitcoin-dev
> <bitcoin-dev@lists.linuxfoundation.org
> <mailto:bitcoin-dev@lists.linuxfoundation.org>> wrote:
>
> I know this list is not to advertise personal projects but
> https://peersm.com/wallet might be of some interest, this is the web
> interface for https://github.com/Ayms/bitcoin-transactions since
> apparently quasi nobody succeeds to use it
>
> As far as I know (and surprisingly) this is the only online tool that
> converts bech32 addresses (Sipa's one does not output something
> understandable by everybody, the tool is using his code), the only one
> that converts from any address to any address, maybe the only one that
> decodes simply redeem scripts and probably the only one that allows to
> create transactions by its own (the advanced mode is not
> implemented for
> now but will be soon)
>
> Ideally it should be an offline tool if there is some incentive to do
> so, so of course it is not advised to use his private keys for now
>
> Maybe they are mistaken but some users are reporting invalid bech32
> addresses from their Electrum wallet, after segwit, bech32 confusion
> seems to be the topic of the moment
>
> Regards
>
> Aymeric
>
> --
> Bitcoin transactions made simple:
> https://github.com/Ayms/bitcoin-transactions
> Zcash wallets made simple: https://github.com/Ayms/zcash-wallets
> Bitcoin wallets made simple: https://github.com/Ayms/bitcoin-wallets
> Get the torrent dynamic blocklist: http://peersm.com/getblocklist
> Check the 10 M passwords list: http://peersm.com/findmyass
> Anti-spies and private torrents, dynamic blocklist:
> http://torrent-live.org
> Peersm : http://www.peersm.com
> torrent-live: https://github.com/Ayms/torrent-live
> node-Tor : https://www.github.com/Ayms/node-Tor
> GitHub : https://www.github.com/Ayms
>
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Bitcoin transactions made simple: https://github.com/Ayms/bitcoin-transactions
Zcash wallets made simple: https://github.com/Ayms/zcash-wallets
Bitcoin wallets made simple: https://github.com/Ayms/bitcoin-wallets
Get the torrent dynamic blocklist: http://peersm.com/getblocklist
Check the 10 M passwords list: http://peersm.com/findmyass
Anti-spies and private torrents, dynamic blocklist: http://torrent-live.org
Peersm : http://www.peersm.com
torrent-live: https://github.com/Ayms/torrent-live
node-Tor : https://www.github.com/Ayms/node-Tor
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<p>You are right, that's what I have been saying for online services
that ask for private keys, and even the seeds<br>
</p>
<p>The problem is that people can't refrain to put their keys for
example to get "free" coins, typically they try to use
bitcoin-transactions, don't succeed and go put their seeds in an
online service</p>
<p>At least it gives an alternative, private keys are optional and
the tool will output the command to use with bitcoin-transactions,
and if they want to put directly their keys, then...</p>
<p>"Move your coins by yourself" refers more to "don't get trapped
by your wallet(s) or things that you don't master like multisig,
segwit, bech32, etc"<br>
</p>
<p>As I said the idea would be to end up with an offline tool should
some people support/finance the effort<br>
</p>
<br>
<div class="moz-cite-prefix">Le 01/08/2018 à 07:45, Marcel Jamin a
écrit :<br>
</div>
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<div class="gmail_default"
style="font-family:monospace,monospace;font-size:small;color:rgb(12,52,61)">IMHO
you should almost never publish a service that asks users for
private keys.</div>
<div class="gmail_default"
style="font-family:monospace,monospace;font-size:small;color:rgb(12,52,61)"><br>
</div>
<div class="gmail_default"
style="font-family:monospace,monospace;font-size:small;color:rgb(12,52,61)">A
warning isn't enough. Your server might get compromised.</div>
<div class="gmail_default"
style="font-family:monospace,monospace;font-size:small;color:rgb(12,52,61)"><br>
</div>
<div class="gmail_default"
style="font-family:monospace,monospace;font-size:small;color:rgb(12,52,61)">"Move
your coins by yourself" isn't even correct if your server is
involved.</div>
</div>
<br>
<div class="gmail_quote">
<div dir="ltr">On Tue, 31 Jul 2018 at 13:26, Aymeric Vitte via
bitcoin-dev <<a
href="mailto:bitcoin-dev@lists.linuxfoundation.org"
moz-do-not-send="true">bitcoin-dev@lists.linuxfoundation.org</a>>
wrote:<br>
</div>
<blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0
.8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex">I know this
list is not to advertise personal projects but<br>
<a href="https://peersm.com/wallet" rel="noreferrer"
target="_blank" moz-do-not-send="true">https://peersm.com/wallet</a>
might be of some interest, this is the web<br>
interface for <a
href="https://github.com/Ayms/bitcoin-transactions"
rel="noreferrer" target="_blank" moz-do-not-send="true">https://github.com/Ayms/bitcoin-transactions</a>
since<br>
apparently quasi nobody succeeds to use it<br>
<br>
As far as I know (and surprisingly) this is the only online
tool that<br>
converts bech32 addresses (Sipa's one does not output
something<br>
understandable by everybody, the tool is using his code), the
only one<br>
that converts from any address to any address, maybe the only
one that<br>
decodes simply redeem scripts and probably the only one that
allows to<br>
create transactions by its own (the advanced mode is not
implemented for<br>
now but will be soon)<br>
<br>
Ideally it should be an offline tool if there is some
incentive to do<br>
so, so of course it is not advised to use his private keys for
now<br>
<br>
Maybe they are mistaken but some users are reporting invalid
bech32<br>
addresses from their Electrum wallet, after segwit, bech32
confusion<br>
seems to be the topic of the moment<br>
<br>
Regards<br>
<br>
Aymeric<br>
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Bitcoin wallets made simple: <a
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Get the torrent dynamic blocklist: <a
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target="_blank" moz-do-not-send="true">http://www.peersm.com</a><br>
torrent-live: <a href="https://github.com/Ayms/torrent-live"
rel="noreferrer" target="_blank" moz-do-not-send="true">https://github.com/Ayms/torrent-live</a><br>
node-Tor : <a href="https://www.github.com/Ayms/node-Tor"
rel="noreferrer" target="_blank" moz-do-not-send="true">https://www.github.com/Ayms/node-Tor</a><br>
GitHub : <a href="https://www.github.com/Ayms"
rel="noreferrer" target="_blank" moz-do-not-send="true">https://www.github.com/Ayms</a><br>
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Bitcoin transactions made simple: <a class="moz-txt-link-freetext" href="https://github.com/Ayms/bitcoin-transactions">https://github.com/Ayms/bitcoin-transactions</a>
Zcash wallets made simple: <a class="moz-txt-link-freetext" href="https://github.com/Ayms/zcash-wallets">https://github.com/Ayms/zcash-wallets</a>
Bitcoin wallets made simple: <a class="moz-txt-link-freetext" href="https://github.com/Ayms/bitcoin-wallets">https://github.com/Ayms/bitcoin-wallets</a>
Get the torrent dynamic blocklist: <a class="moz-txt-link-freetext" href="http://peersm.com/getblocklist">http://peersm.com/getblocklist</a>
Check the 10 M passwords list: <a class="moz-txt-link-freetext" href="http://peersm.com/findmyass">http://peersm.com/findmyass</a>
Anti-spies and private torrents, dynamic blocklist: <a class="moz-txt-link-freetext" href="http://torrent-live.org">http://torrent-live.org</a>
Peersm : <a class="moz-txt-link-freetext" href="http://www.peersm.com">http://www.peersm.com</a>
torrent-live: <a class="moz-txt-link-freetext" href="https://github.com/Ayms/torrent-live">https://github.com/Ayms/torrent-live</a>
node-Tor : <a class="moz-txt-link-freetext" href="https://www.github.com/Ayms/node-Tor">https://www.github.com/Ayms/node-Tor</a>
GitHub : <a class="moz-txt-link-freetext" href="https://www.github.com/Ayms">https://www.github.com/Ayms</a></pre>
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