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Subject: Re: [Bitcoin-development] Linux packaging letter
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On Wed, Jul 24, 2013 at 10:28:16AM +0200, Mike Hearn wrote:
> Yeah, if anyone wants to make the letter more digestable please do propose
> an alternative, although by this point it's probably not worth it as people
> have already signed.
Okay, here's my attempt:
https://docs.google.com/document/d/1m3wyBIjqwPQ3wxVT7P_wJtdWt9a9RXvt9NV7rggLAOs/edit#
Please feel free to use any or all of it as you see fit.
> FWIW, Gregory is right that my original draft was much more brusque. The
> pain in the packaging relationship travels both ways. I have in the past
> wasted a lot of time due to bogus packaging applied by non-expert packagers
> that broke things. In fact the project I was a part of adopted a policy of
> automatically closing bug reports from people who were using distributor
> packages (any distro) because the quality was so inconsistent and so many
> subtle bugs were introduced.
>
> If packagers hear upstreams cry about packaging a lot, I think you should
> keep an open mind that some of them probably know what they're talking
> about. We really shouldn't have to beg and cajole here. Saying "we have our
> reasons and we want you to stop" should be enough.
Yes, I know what you mean.
Regards,
Zooko
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