1
2
3
4
5
6
7
8
9
10
11
12
13
14
15
16
17
18
19
20
21
22
23
24
25
26
27
28
29
30
31
32
33
34
35
36
37
38
39
40
41
42
43
44
45
46
47
48
49
50
51
52
53
54
55
56
57
58
59
60
61
62
63
64
65
66
67
68
69
70
71
72
73
74
75
76
77
78
79
80
81
82
83
84
85
86
87
88
89
90
91
92
|
Return-Path: <gmaxwell@gmail.com>
Received: from smtp1.linuxfoundation.org (smtp1.linux-foundation.org
[172.17.192.35])
by mail.linuxfoundation.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id E56BBB7E
for <bitcoin-dev@lists.linuxfoundation.org>;
Tue, 9 May 2017 19:30:54 +0000 (UTC)
X-Greylist: whitelisted by SQLgrey-1.7.6
Received: from mail-ua0-f174.google.com (mail-ua0-f174.google.com
[209.85.217.174])
by smtp1.linuxfoundation.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 8A755154
for <bitcoin-dev@lists.linuxfoundation.org>;
Tue, 9 May 2017 19:30:53 +0000 (UTC)
Received: by mail-ua0-f174.google.com with SMTP id g49so11999195uaa.1
for <bitcoin-dev@lists.linuxfoundation.org>;
Tue, 09 May 2017 12:30:53 -0700 (PDT)
DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20161025;
h=mime-version:sender:in-reply-to:references:from:date:message-id
:subject:to:cc;
bh=j/VXnG8hB1nYux1WQZfkuP1+W5tpGZ2okr2eb4d+2ig=;
b=IhFza7tDRm3UXe8Hz6hd3bb6hpVxoJJbMuKq3N7w6TKz84StrX7ntl/3FGjQSiHn6x
9H26g3rayBq5L7zTeZzVK046Lor5JyZ8+HUVXo0Os1j91Lcp1FARV7EMmimpmEHpk6rg
0Dukm6z5aSJMPPfl2zGdLrxaDlgJ8yCHUwT8WEoSUv61RMzLWe6AAVVfSxgv7lB7Vf6s
IzpBd062hirx5AJ6zxu5IdfpMikKGmbnsqTFTN5yDrHPju6NvU8vy/FChnmXqAFbNsue
QC5ZqdIAQUeNw74W6X4MCutfurmp/8Hp7SS0pnbj1o6w9Ee9Q4TbSbuhr5lAp7spzwXt
KkTQ==
X-Google-DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed;
d=1e100.net; s=20161025;
h=x-gm-message-state:mime-version:sender:in-reply-to:references:from
:date:message-id:subject:to:cc;
bh=j/VXnG8hB1nYux1WQZfkuP1+W5tpGZ2okr2eb4d+2ig=;
b=QrA5ZWZ1j69+iXWqBZFtFfzSTLK9Pyit6qWaOwBHRXGABMSUle6anZc1ob4QIeetTK
2bFVr1vfg5ZIc3GKSTCT6oaHOm4F6E5OJoPlSbXJzUUFWnR0UmzKQm6kmaP8qegr3Slj
SiSdCMvGCcjiRyuwCbpRYFY5yNX00RIc/3cuOrfg5yZlw0hYdCs+WXbY/U8mhRwZL4P1
vdVSd0KE4jt7RheZUT9D5vG0jhaL53NPishL7JLHrLZOB4RIaSMlrQmplprgJmetQ2xj
H6iw9ZaFSI4BRMV266OMapp0xGxH433JACAHKX1FaxDMCTsaeGmJ792HTtkL/lVrB52N
4Jgg==
X-Gm-Message-State: AODbwcCVc2f3V0Szwwl5SijpkgrvXaA784mDT8DmGxu29LtLzaNc6tCM
0TeqNgPOkunj5SKNlPMY+1vxlwRmRA==
X-Received: by 10.31.236.197 with SMTP id k188mr806823vkh.26.1494358252676;
Tue, 09 May 2017 12:30:52 -0700 (PDT)
MIME-Version: 1.0
Sender: gmaxwell@gmail.com
Received: by 10.103.20.66 with HTTP; Tue, 9 May 2017 12:30:52 -0700 (PDT)
In-Reply-To: <CAKzdR-pN0B-wjhPh3n6Jw7L6wsz9yQ=kyVX7NYx5ACZC3bg8OA@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CAKzdR-qojNn8OtUTPbxa0JauK9nmo2ZGm4ihKuyzsz_FAgokDw@mail.gmail.com>
<CAMBsKS_j7Lso6fHoMPkrQ7UFwKfxOERAAqL=aUF83O4CqL+iFg@mail.gmail.com>
<CAKzdR-on-w9EF+2hLjchdyHB1gj7fi4QnybA=J4Cz7yyN3KKNA@mail.gmail.com>
<e86d9b29-f7dd-75da-e6c6-f55648bea104@mattcorallo.com>
<CAKzdR-pyE2f0jdsU+QGbJQ9gMepsyS880kntE9MRvDBLG_Nchg@mail.gmail.com>
<CAKzdR-pN0B-wjhPh3n6Jw7L6wsz9yQ=kyVX7NYx5ACZC3bg8OA@mail.gmail.com>
From: Gregory Maxwell <greg@xiph.org>
Date: Tue, 9 May 2017 19:30:52 +0000
X-Google-Sender-Auth: ztgyPwbUYLq5EZeBlJYUmJ-eS2g
Message-ID: <CAAS2fgQsT7c+CEfC+U9N+g-+V4s8WnQjRqDddfCKMb6+BkJ3-A@mail.gmail.com>
To: Sergio Demian Lerner <sergio.d.lerner@gmail.com>
Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8
X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.9 required=5.0 tests=BAYES_00,DKIM_SIGNED,
DKIM_VALID, FREEMAIL_FROM,
RCVD_IN_DNSWL_NONE autolearn=ham version=3.3.1
X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.3.1 (2010-03-16) on
smtp1.linux-foundation.org
Cc: bitcoin-dev <bitcoin-dev@lists.linuxfoundation.org>
Subject: Re: [bitcoin-dev] Some real-world results about the current Segwit
Discount
X-BeenThere: bitcoin-dev@lists.linuxfoundation.org
X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.12
Precedence: list
List-Id: Bitcoin Protocol Discussion <bitcoin-dev.lists.linuxfoundation.org>
List-Unsubscribe: <https://lists.linuxfoundation.org/mailman/options/bitcoin-dev>,
<mailto:bitcoin-dev-request@lists.linuxfoundation.org?subject=unsubscribe>
List-Archive: <http://lists.linuxfoundation.org/pipermail/bitcoin-dev/>
List-Post: <mailto:bitcoin-dev@lists.linuxfoundation.org>
List-Help: <mailto:bitcoin-dev-request@lists.linuxfoundation.org?subject=help>
List-Subscribe: <https://lists.linuxfoundation.org/mailman/listinfo/bitcoin-dev>,
<mailto:bitcoin-dev-request@lists.linuxfoundation.org?subject=subscribe>
X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 09 May 2017 19:30:55 -0000
On Tue, May 9, 2017 at 7:15 PM, Sergio Demian Lerner via bitcoin-dev
<bitcoin-dev@lists.linuxfoundation.org> wrote:
> The capacity of Segwit(50%)+2MbHF is 50% more than Segwit, and the maximum
> block size is the same.
And the UTXO bloat potential is twice as large and the cost of that
UTXO bloat is significantly reduced. So you're basically gutting the
most of the gain from weight, making something incompatible, etc.
I'm not sure what to explain-- even that page on segwit.org explains
that the values are selected to balance worst case costs not to
optimize one to the total exclusion of others. Raw size is not very
relevant in the long run, but if your goal were to optimize for it
(which it seems to be), then the limit should be pure size.
|