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Hi, no worries. I made the changes now in the GitHub repository and pull
request. I'm hoping for a BIP # soon. Thanks for the feedback, and I guess
the sense of humor.

Best regards, Andrew

On Sat, Mar 13, 2021, 10:45 AM yancy <email@yancy.lol> wrote:

> Ok thanks.  Using the correct terminology helps people understand what
> you're talking about and take you seriously.
>
> Cheers,
> -Yancy
>
> Mar 13, 2021 4:02:18 PM Lonero Foundation <loneroassociation@gmail.com>:
>
> Hi, I know the differences between the cryptographic hashing algorithm an=
d
> key validation. I know hashing is for SHA, but was referring to asymmetri=
c
> cryptography in regards to the key validation. I should have used a
> different term though instead of, "In regards to cryptographic hashing,",=
 I
> should have stated in regards to cryptographic key validation. There are =
a
> few other dubious clarifications or minor edits I should make in order to
> not draw confusion. I will do a repo update today. Honest mistake, but
> enough with the sarcasm.
>
> Best regards, Andrew
>
> On Sat, Mar 13, 2021, 3:13 AM email@yancy.lol <email@yancy.lol> wrote:
>
>> My email was not intended as an insult.  Your proposal seemed a bit like
>> gibberish and made some obvious mistakes as pointed out before (such as
>> conflating secp256k1 with sha256), and so I was genuinely curious if you
>> were a bot spamming the list.
>>
>>
>> Maybe a more interesting topic is, can GPT3 be used to generate a BIP?
>> How long before our AI overlord produces improvements to Bitcoin?  At wh=
at
>> point will the AI have more than 51% of commit frequency?  Will we have
>> lost the war to our new centralized overlord?
>>
>> Cheers,
>> -Yancy
>>
>>
>> On Saturday, March 13, 2021 00:31 CET, Lonero Foundation <
>> loneroassociation@gmail.com> wrote:
>>
>>
>> Also, I already stated I was referring to signature validation
>> cryptography in that aspect:
>> https://wizardforcel.gitbooks.io/practical-cryptography-for-developers-b=
ook/content/digital-signatures/ecdsa-sign-verify-examples.html
>> My BIP has a primary purpose in regards to what I want to develop proofs
>> for and the different cryptographic elements I want to develop proofs fo=
r.
>> That said to those who disagree with the premise, I do prefer
>> constructive feedback over insults or making fun of one another. After a=
ll
>> this is an improvement proposal with a specific purpose aiming to develo=
p a
>> specific thing, not a guy who is just wanting to copy and paste a
>> repository and call it a day.
>>
>> Best regards, Andrew
>>
>> On Fri, Mar 12, 2021 at 6:21 PM Lonero Foundation <
>> loneroassociation@gmail.com> wrote:
>>
>>> Hi, I also want to emphasize that my main point isn't just to create a
>>> BTC hardfork or become another Bitcoin Cash, Gold, or SV. The main poin=
t in
>>> regards to this BIP actually expands POW rather than replaces or create=
s an
>>> alternative. Many of the problems faced in regards to security in the
>>> future as well as sustainability is something I believe lots of the cha=
nges
>>> I am proposing can fix. In regards to technological implementation, onc=
e
>>> this is assigned draft status I am more than willing to create preprint=
s
>>> explaining the cryptography, hashing algorithm improvements, and consen=
sus
>>> that I am working on. This is a highly technologically complex idea tha=
t I
>>> am willing to "call my bluff on" and expand upon. As for it being a dra=
ft,
>>> I think this is a good starting point at least for draft status prior t=
o
>>> working on technological implementation.
>>>
>>> Best regards, Andrew
>>>
>>> On Fri, Mar 12, 2021 at 5:37 PM email@yancy.lol <email@yancy.lol>
>>> wrote:
>>>
>>>> I think Andrew himself is an algo.  The crypto training set must not b=
e
>>>> very good.
>>>>
>>>> Cheers,
>>>> -Yancy
>>>>
>>>> On Friday, March 12, 2021 17:54 CET, Lonero Foundation via bitcoin-dev=
 <
>>>> bitcoin-dev@lists.linuxfoundation.org> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> =E2=80=A6
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>
>>>
>>
>>
>>
>
>

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<div dir=3D"auto">Hi, no worries. I made the changes now in the GitHub repo=
sitory and pull request. I&#39;m hoping for a BIP # soon. Thanks for the fe=
edback, and I guess the sense of humor.<div dir=3D"auto"><br></div><div dir=
=3D"auto">Best regards, Andrew</div></div><br><div class=3D"gmail_quote"><d=
iv dir=3D"ltr" class=3D"gmail_attr">On Sat, Mar 13, 2021, 10:45 AM yancy &l=
t;email@yancy.lol&gt; wrote:<br></div><blockquote class=3D"gmail_quote" sty=
le=3D"margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex">=20
 =20
 <div> <span style=3D"font-family:sans-serif">Ok thanks.=C2=A0 Using the co=
rrect terminology helps people understand what you&#39;re talking about and=
 take you seriously.</span>=20
  <br>=20
  <br> <span style=3D"font-family:sans-serif">Cheers,</span>=20
  <br> <span style=3D"font-family:sans-serif">-Yancy</span>=20
  <br>=20
  <div>=20
   <br>=20
   <p>Mar 13, 2021 4:02:18 PM Lonero Foundation &lt;<a href=3D"mailto:loner=
oassociation@gmail.com" target=3D"_blank" rel=3D"noreferrer">loneroassociat=
ion@gmail.com</a>&gt;:</p>=20
   <blockquote>=20
    <div dir=3D"auto">
      Hi, I know the differences between the cryptographic hashing algorith=
m and key validation. I know hashing is for SHA, but was referring to=C2=A0=
<span>asymmetric cryptography in regards to the key validation. I should ha=
ve used a different term though instead of, &quot;In regards to cryptograph=
ic hashing,&quot;, I should have stated in regards to cryptographic key val=
idation. There are a few other dubious clarifications or minor edits I shou=
ld make in order to not draw confusion. I will do a repo update today. Hone=
st mistake, but enough with the sarcasm.</span>=20
     <div dir=3D"auto"> <span><br></span>=20
     </div>=20
     <div dir=3D"auto">
       Best regards, Andrew=20
     </div>=20
    </div>=20
    <br>=20
    <div class=3D"gmail_quote">=20
     <div dir=3D"ltr" class=3D"gmail_attr">
       On Sat, Mar 13, 2021, 3:13 AM email@yancy.lol &lt;email@yancy.lol&gt=
; wrote:=20
      <br>=20
     </div>=20
     <blockquote class=3D"gmail_quote" style=3D"margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-le=
ft:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex">=20
      <p dir=3D"ltr" style=3D"line-height:1.38;margin-top:0pt;margin-bottom=
:0pt" id=3D"m_-24665084329890104m_-7605373105595509035m_8158420199876589271=
m_-1581779554600417290m_-1741129009180998294m_3490105251412115872m_-7757793=
637796267019m_-5697419812760722977docs-internal-guid-4056a8b1-7fff-9296-342=
7-4d2e04c785c7"><span style=3D"background-color:transparent;font-variant:no=
rmal;white-space:pre-wrap;font-weight:400;text-decoration:none;vertical-ali=
gn:baseline;font-size:11pt;font-family:Arial;font-style:normal">My email wa=
s not intended as an insult.=C2=A0 Your proposal seemed a bit like gibberis=
h and made some obvious mistakes as pointed out before (such as conflating =
secp256k1 with sha256), and so I was genuinely curious if you were a bot sp=
amming the list.</span></p>=C2=A0=20
      <p dir=3D"ltr" style=3D"line-height:1.38;margin-top:0pt;margin-bottom=
:0pt"><span style=3D"background-color:transparent;font-variant:normal;white=
-space:pre-wrap;font-weight:400;text-decoration:none;vertical-align:baselin=
e;font-size:11pt;font-family:Arial;font-style:normal">Maybe a more interest=
ing topic is, can GPT3 be used to generate a BIP?=C2=A0 How long before our=
 AI overlord produces improvements to Bitcoin?=C2=A0 At what point will the=
 AI have more than 51% of commit frequency?=C2=A0 Will we have lost the war=
 to our new centralized overlord?</span></p>=20
      <br>Cheers,=20
      <br>-Yancy=20
      <br>=20
      <br>=20
      <br>On Saturday, March 13, 2021 00:31 CET, Lonero Foundation &lt;<a h=
ref=3D"mailto:loneroassociation@gmail.com" rel=3D"noreferrer noreferrer nor=
eferrer noreferrer noreferrer noreferrer noreferrer noreferrer" target=3D"_=
blank">loneroassociation@gmail.com</a>&gt; wrote:=20
      <br>=C2=A0=20
      <blockquote type=3D"cite" cite=3D"http://CA+YkXXw5uh4yfvqDiBBEXcq188P=
EGku-NFFAq7uNuAFTG3ooTQ@mail.gmail.com">=20
       <div dir=3D"ltr">=20
        <div>
          Also, I already stated I was referring to signature validation cr=
yptography in that aspect: <a href=3D"https://wizardforcel.gitbooks.io/prac=
tical-cryptography-for-developers-book/content/digital-signatures/ecdsa-sig=
n-verify-examples.html" rel=3D"noreferrer noreferrer noreferrer noreferrer =
noreferrer noreferrer noreferrer noreferrer" target=3D"_blank">https://wiza=
rdforcel.gitbooks.io/practical-cryptography-for-developers-book/content/dig=
ital-signatures/ecdsa-sign-verify-examples.html</a>=20
        </div>=20
        <div>
          My BIP has a primary purpose in regards to what I want to develop=
 proofs for and the different cryptographic elements I want to develop proo=
fs for.=20
        </div>=20
        <div>
          That said to those who disagree with the premise, I do prefer con=
structive feedback over insults or making fun of one another. After all thi=
s is an improvement proposal with a specific purpose aiming to develop a sp=
ecific thing, not a guy who is just wanting to copy and paste a repository =
and call it a day.=20
        </div>=20
        <div>
          =C2=A0=20
        </div>=20
        <div>
          Best regards, Andrew=20
        </div>=20
       </div>=C2=A0=20
       <div class=3D"gmail_quote">=20
        <div dir=3D"ltr" class=3D"gmail_attr">
          On Fri, Mar 12, 2021 at 6:21 PM Lonero Foundation &lt;<a href=3D"=
mailto:loneroassociation@gmail.com" rel=3D"noreferrer noreferrer noreferrer=
 noreferrer noreferrer noreferrer noreferrer noreferrer" target=3D"_blank">=
loneroassociation@gmail.com</a>&gt; wrote:=20
        </div>=20
        <blockquote class=3D"gmail_quote" style=3D"margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex=
;border-left:1px solid rgb(204,204,204);padding-left:1ex">=20
         <div dir=3D"ltr">=20
          <div>
            Hi, I also want to emphasize that my main point isn&#39;t just =
to create a BTC hardfork or become another Bitcoin Cash, Gold, or SV. The m=
ain point in regards to this BIP actually expands POW rather than replaces =
or creates an alternative. Many of the problems faced in regards to securit=
y in the future as well as sustainability is something I believe lots of th=
e changes I am proposing can fix. In regards to technological implementatio=
n, once this is assigned draft status I am more than willing to create prep=
rints explaining the cryptography, hashing algorithm improvements, and cons=
ensus that I am working on. This is a highly technologically complex idea t=
hat I am willing to &quot;call my bluff on&quot; and expand upon. As for it=
 being a draft, I think this is a good starting point at least for draft st=
atus prior to working on technological implementation.=20
          </div>=20
          <div>
            =C2=A0=20
          </div>=20
          <div>
            Best regards, Andrew=20
          </div>=20
         </div>=C2=A0=20
         <div class=3D"gmail_quote">=20
          <div dir=3D"ltr" class=3D"gmail_attr">
            On Fri, Mar 12, 2021 at 5:37 PM email@yancy.lol &lt;email@yancy=
.lol&gt; wrote:=20
          </div>=20
          <blockquote class=3D"gmail_quote" style=3D"margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8=
ex;border-left:1px solid rgb(204,204,204);padding-left:1ex">
            I think Andrew himself is an algo.=C2=A0 The crypto training se=
t must not be very good.=20
           <br>=20
           <br>Cheers,=20
           <br>-Yancy=20
           <br>=20
           <br>On Friday, March 12, 2021 17:54 CET, Lonero Foundation via b=
itcoin-dev &lt;<a href=3D"mailto:bitcoin-dev@lists.linuxfoundation.org" rel=
=3D"noreferrer noreferrer noreferrer noreferrer noreferrer noreferrer noref=
errer noreferrer" target=3D"_blank">bitcoin-dev@lists.linuxfoundation.org</=
a>&gt; wrote:=20
           <br>=C2=A0=20
           <blockquote type=3D"cite" cite=3D"http://CA+YkXXz9aHfZtt-it_8w4o=
vF=3D-QaZ4_9vwDS0Kz36qhHwVDC5Q@mail.gmail.com">
             =E2=80=A6=20
           </blockquote>=20
           <br>=20
           <br>=20
           <br>=C2=A0=20
          </blockquote>=20
         </div>=20
        </blockquote>=20
       </div>=20
      </blockquote>=20
      <br>=20
      <br>=20
      <br>=C2=A0=20
     </blockquote>=20
    </div>=20
   </blockquote>=20
  </div> =20
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</blockquote></div>

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