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June 28th, 2015
Mailman's obscure_addresses option is now disabled. It has been pretty
useless
as a spam mitigation measure anyway.
This is a test message to see if mailman continues to break --clearsign GPG
signatures for messages that contain an e-mail address like test@example.com
.
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On Sat, Jun 27, 2015 at 4:54 PM, Jeff Garzik <jgarzik@gmail.com> wrote:
> Generally agreed w/ all this.
>
> To preserve digital signatures now and in the future, and make mbox
> archives actually useful, a minimum modification policy is needed.
>
>
>
> On Sat, Jun 27, 2015 at 3:21 PM, grarpamp <grarpamp@gmail.com> wrote:
>
>> On Sun, Jun 21, 2015 at 9:14 PM, Frank Flores <frankf44@gmail.com> wrote:
>> > If you're going to go through the trouble of signing your public emails
>> ...
>>
>> ... then you should also demand that the official archives of your
>> favorite lists preserve them and their verifiability in the supposedly
>> canonical reference "mbox" format that they distribute.
>>
>> On Wed, Jun 24, 2015 at 7:47 AM, Wladimir J. van der Laan
>> <laanwj@gmail.com> wrote:
>> > Subject: [bitcoin-dev] New GPG signing key for Bitcoin Core binary
>> releases
>>
>>
>> http://lists.linuxfoundation.org/pipermail/bitcoin-dev/2015-June/009045.html
>> http://lists.linuxfoundation.org/pipermail/bitcoin-dev/2015-June.txt.gz
>>
>> As you can clearly see, both the HTML archives and the "mbox"
>> archives have corrupted this message, it will not verify. Do not
>> try to say this case is trivial, the problem itself is not trivial,
>> it's gratuitous, and it applies to all matching messages... text,
>> code, binary inline... that's dangerous.
>>
>> Do not try to say this corruption prevents spam, it does not.
>> Spammers simply subscribe to the list and harvest everything
>> efficiently in realtime... no webcrawling overhead, no stale
>> addresses. Obfuscation is futile.
>>
>> This misfeature needs to be disabled.
>>
>>
>>
>> On Fri, Jun 19, 2015 at 12:57 AM, Warren Togami Jr. <wtogami@gmail.com>
>> wrote:
>> > archives will be exported
>> > and imported into the new list server
>>
>> On Tue, Jun 23, 2015 at 2:45 PM, Andy Schroder <info@andyschroder.com>
>> wrote:
>> > I'm not sure if anyone has submitted a request for gmane
>>
>> On Sun, Jun 21, 2015 at 5:35 PM, s7r <s7r@sky-ip.org> wrote:
>> > Do we have all the archives imported? I run several full nodes and
>> > mirrors for open source projects, if you think it's useful, I can
>> > provide a mirror for the mail list archives.
>>
>> Yes... these other mirrors, archives, analysis, journalism, and
>> interfaces are useful. However, as it is now, there are no useful
>> authoritative sources for them to seed from... they're all corrupt.
>> And any subscribed realtime sources, though nice, are subject to
>> downtime, administrative and other unrecoverable gaps. Your mirror
>> project is a fine idea, you should demand that the pristine historical
>> sources be made publicly available. Not just for you, but for everyone.
>>
>>
>>
>> On Wed, Jun 17, 2015, grarpamp wrote:
>> > ...
>>
>> As before, the current "mbox" archives are broken and not useful...
>>
>> a) They corrupt message data, messages are unverifiable, another
>> example...
>>
>> http://lists.linuxfoundation.org/pipermail/bitcoin-dev/2015-June/009132.html
>>
>> http://lists.linuxfoundation.org/pipermail/bitcoin-dev/2015-June.txt.gz
>> b) They are missing the minimum set of original headers necessary
>> for fully replyable, threadable, sortable, searchable, context
>> preserving and direct use by users MUA's in their local environment:
>> (Date, From, To, Cc, Subject, Message-ID, In-Reply-To, References)
>> c) They do not include attachments (patches, signatures, images, crypto,
>> data) that are absolutely necessary to the context and archives
>> of all lists. Instead they stupidly throw them away to "web links"
>> which results not only in uselessness of the so called "mbox"
>> version, but in many thousands of needless fetches by archive
>> users and indexers. And hours of wasted work attempting to
>> postprocess them into usable form.
>> Valuable content lost from the "mbox" files this June alone:
>> 418 attachment.html
>> 106 attachment.sig
>> 6 attachment.jpe
>> 4 attachment.png
>> 2 attachment.bin
>> d) There appear to be at least 15 instances of unescaped '^From '
>> in the "mbox". Regeneration with current mailman may fix. One such
>> case is here:
>>
>> http://lists.linuxfoundation.org/pipermail/bitcoin-dev/2014-January/004245.html
>>
>> http://lists.linuxfoundation.org/pipermail/bitcoin-dev/2014-January.txt.gz
>>
>>
>>
>> Please fix all the above mentioned issues by providing the full raw
>> archives in regularly updated [gzip/7z] mbox format. The internet
>> thanks you :)
>>
>> Example, compare the "Downloadable version"s here:
>> http://lists.linuxfoundation.org/pipermail/bitcoin-dev/
>> https://cpunks.org/pipermail/cypherpunks/
>> https://cpunks.org/pipermail/cypherpunks/2015-February/006820.html
>>
>>
>>
>> On Tue, Jun 23, 2015 at 2:45 PM, Andy Schroder <info@andyschroder.com>
>> wrote:
>> > Regarding message footers and the subject prefix
>>
>> Yes, they're also corruptive and space wasting clutter, for and by
>> the clueless :( Both of them should be turned off.
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=3D"gmail_extra"><br><div class=3D"gmail_quote">On Sat, Jun 27, 2015 at 4:5=
4 PM, Jeff Garzik <span dir=3D"ltr"><<a href=3D"mailto:jgarzik@gmail.com=
" target=3D"_blank">jgarzik@gmail.com</a>></span> wrote:<br><blockquote =
class=3D"gmail_quote" style=3D"margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid=
;padding-left:1ex"><div dir=3D"ltr">Generally agreed w/ all this.<div><br><=
/div><div>To preserve digital signatures now and in the future, and make mb=
ox archives actually useful, a minimum modification policy is needed.</div>=
<div><br></div><div><br></div></div><div class=3D"HOEnZb"><div class=3D"h5"=
><div class=3D"gmail_extra"><br><div class=3D"gmail_quote">On Sat, Jun 27, =
2015 at 3:21 PM, grarpamp <span dir=3D"ltr"><<a href=3D"mailto:grarpamp@=
gmail.com" target=3D"_blank">grarpamp@gmail.com</a>></span> wrote:<br><b=
lockquote class=3D"gmail_quote" style=3D"margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px =
#ccc solid;padding-left:1ex">On Sun, Jun 21, 2015 at 9:14 PM, Frank Flores =
<<a href=3D"mailto:frankf44@gmail.com" target=3D"_blank">frankf44@gmail.=
com</a>> wrote:<br>
> If you're going to go through the trouble of signing your public e=
mails ...<br>
<br>
... then you should also demand that the official archives of your<br>
favorite lists preserve them and their verifiability in the supposedly<br>
canonical reference "mbox" format that they distribute.<br>
<br>
On Wed, Jun 24, 2015 at 7:47 AM, Wladimir J. van der Laan<br>
<<a href=3D"mailto:laanwj@gmail.com" target=3D"_blank">laanwj@gmail.com<=
/a>> wrote:<br>
> Subject: [bitcoin-dev] New GPG signing key for Bitcoin Core binary rel=
eases<br>
<br>
<a href=3D"http://lists.linuxfoundation.org/pipermail/bitcoin-dev/2015-June=
/009045.html" rel=3D"noreferrer" target=3D"_blank">http://lists.linuxfounda=
tion.org/pipermail/bitcoin-dev/2015-June/009045.html</a><br>
<a href=3D"http://lists.linuxfoundation.org/pipermail/bitcoin-dev/2015-June=
.txt.gz" rel=3D"noreferrer" target=3D"_blank">http://lists.linuxfoundation.=
org/pipermail/bitcoin-dev/2015-June.txt.gz</a><br>
<br>
As you can clearly see, both the HTML archives and the "mbox"<br>
archives have corrupted this message, it will not verify. Do not<br>
try to say this case is trivial, the problem itself is not trivial,<br>
it's gratuitous, and it applies to all matching messages... text,<br>
code, binary inline... that's dangerous.<br>
<br>
Do not try to say this corruption prevents spam, it does not.<br>
Spammers simply subscribe to the list and harvest everything<br>
efficiently in realtime... no webcrawling overhead, no stale<br>
addresses. Obfuscation is futile.<br>
<br>
This misfeature needs to be disabled.<br>
<br>
<br>
<br>
On Fri, Jun 19, 2015 at 12:57 AM, Warren Togami Jr. <<a href=3D"mailto:w=
togami@gmail.com" target=3D"_blank">wtogami@gmail.com</a>> wrote:<br>
> archives will be exported<br>
> and imported into the new list server<br>
<br>
On Tue, Jun 23, 2015 at 2:45 PM, Andy Schroder <<a href=3D"mailto:info@a=
ndyschroder.com" target=3D"_blank">info@andyschroder.com</a>> wrote:<br>
> I'm not sure if anyone has submitted a request for gmane<br>
<br>
On Sun, Jun 21, 2015 at 5:35 PM, s7r <<a href=3D"mailto:s7r@sky-ip.org" =
target=3D"_blank">s7r@sky-ip.org</a>> wrote:<br>
> Do we have all the archives imported? I run several full nodes and<br>
> mirrors for open source projects, if you think it's useful, I can<=
br>
> provide a mirror for the mail list archives.<br>
<br>
Yes... these other mirrors, archives, analysis, journalism, and<br>
interfaces are useful. However, as it is now, there are no useful<br>
authoritative sources for them to seed from... they're all corrupt.<br>
And any subscribed realtime sources, though nice, are subject to<br>
downtime, administrative and other unrecoverable gaps. Your mirror<br>
project is a fine idea, you should demand that the pristine historical<br>
sources be made publicly available. Not just for you, but for everyone.<br>
<br>
<br>
<br>
On Wed, Jun 17, 2015, grarpamp wrote:<br>
> ...<br>
<br>
As before, the current "mbox" archives are broken and not useful.=
..<br>
<br>
a) They corrupt message data, messages are unverifiable, another example...=
<br>
=C2=A0 =C2=A0<a href=3D"http://lists.linuxfoundation.org/pipermail/bitcoin-=
dev/2015-June/009132.html" rel=3D"noreferrer" target=3D"_blank">http://list=
s.linuxfoundation.org/pipermail/bitcoin-dev/2015-June/009132.html</a><br>
=C2=A0 =C2=A0<a href=3D"http://lists.linuxfoundation.org/pipermail/bitcoin-=
dev/2015-June.txt.gz" rel=3D"noreferrer" target=3D"_blank">http://lists.lin=
uxfoundation.org/pipermail/bitcoin-dev/2015-June.txt.gz</a><br>
b) They are missing the minimum set of original headers necessary<br>
=C2=A0 =C2=A0for fully replyable, threadable, sortable, searchable, context=
<br>
=C2=A0 =C2=A0preserving and direct use by users MUA's in their local en=
vironment:<br>
=C2=A0 =C2=A0(Date, From, To, Cc, Subject, Message-ID, In-Reply-To, Referen=
ces)<br>
c) They do not include attachments (patches, signatures, images, crypto,<br=
>
=C2=A0 =C2=A0data) that are absolutely necessary to the context and archive=
s<br>
=C2=A0 =C2=A0of all lists. Instead they stupidly throw them away to "w=
eb links"<br>
=C2=A0 =C2=A0which results not only in uselessness of the so called "m=
box"<br>
=C2=A0 =C2=A0version, but in many thousands of needless fetches by archive<=
br>
=C2=A0 =C2=A0users and indexers. And hours of wasted work attempting to<br>
=C2=A0 =C2=A0postprocess them into usable form.<br>
=C2=A0 =C2=A0Valuable content lost from the "mbox" files this Jun=
e alone:<br>
=C2=A0 =C2=A0 418 attachment.html<br>
=C2=A0 =C2=A0 106 attachment.sig<br>
=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 6 attachment.jpe<br>
=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 4 attachment.png<br>
=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 2 attachment.bin<br>
d) There appear to be at least 15 instances of unescaped '^From '<b=
r>
=C2=A0 =C2=A0in the "mbox". Regeneration with current mailman may=
fix. One such<br>
=C2=A0 =C2=A0case is here:<br>
=C2=A0 =C2=A0<a href=3D"http://lists.linuxfoundation.org/pipermail/bitcoin-=
dev/2014-January/004245.html" rel=3D"noreferrer" target=3D"_blank">http://l=
ists.linuxfoundation.org/pipermail/bitcoin-dev/2014-January/004245.html</a>=
<br>
=C2=A0 =C2=A0<a href=3D"http://lists.linuxfoundation.org/pipermail/bitcoin-=
dev/2014-January.txt.gz" rel=3D"noreferrer" target=3D"_blank">http://lists.=
linuxfoundation.org/pipermail/bitcoin-dev/2014-January.txt.gz</a><br>
<br>
<br>
<br>
Please fix all the above mentioned issues by providing the full raw<br>
archives in regularly updated [gzip/7z] mbox format. The internet<br>
thanks you :)<br>
<br>
Example, compare the "Downloadable version"s here:<br>
<a href=3D"http://lists.linuxfoundation.org/pipermail/bitcoin-dev/" rel=3D"=
noreferrer" target=3D"_blank">http://lists.linuxfoundation.org/pipermail/bi=
tcoin-dev/</a><br>
<a href=3D"https://cpunks.org/pipermail/cypherpunks/" rel=3D"noreferrer" ta=
rget=3D"_blank">https://cpunks.org/pipermail/cypherpunks/</a><br>
<a href=3D"https://cpunks.org/pipermail/cypherpunks/2015-February/006820.ht=
ml" rel=3D"noreferrer" target=3D"_blank">https://cpunks.org/pipermail/cyphe=
rpunks/2015-February/006820.html</a><br>
<br>
<br>
<br>
On Tue, Jun 23, 2015 at 2:45 PM, Andy Schroder <<a href=3D"mailto:info@a=
ndyschroder.com" target=3D"_blank">info@andyschroder.com</a>> wrote:<br>
> Regarding message footers and the subject prefix<br>
<br>
Yes, they're also corruptive and space wasting clutter, for and by<br>
the clueless :( Both of them should be turned off.<br>
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