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On 04/01/2024 07:55 PM, /dev /fd0 wrote:
> I think before we decide new BIP editors its important to discuss some=20
> things about the process itself:
>=20
> 1. Quoting first paragraph from BIPs repo README: "People wishing to=20
> submit BIPs, first should propose their idea or document to the=20
> bitcoin-dev@lists.linuxfoundation.org mailing list (do not assign a=20
> number - read BIP 2 for the full process). After discussion, please open=
=20
> a PR. After copy-editing and acceptance, it will be published here."
>=20
> If Kanzure and Ruben are BIP editors, does it mean they can censor=20
> someone from submitting BIPs? This question makes sense because they=20
> will have control over the whole improvement process for "bitcoin" by=20
> being moderators for mailing list and BIP editors.

If the only requirement is that a BIP shows up on the mailing list=20
first, then they can already censor them. Having them as BIP editors=20
wouldn't change that. It's not clear to me that this requirement is=20
strictly enforced anyways.

Furthermore, they would not have the permissions to delete PRs or=20
issues, so once a PR is opened, even if closed, would still be there.=20
The status quo w.r.t that would not be any different. At worst, they=20
could refuse to assign a BIP a number, but that's no different than what=20
already happens today. In fact, the situation would likely be better=20
because there would be multiple BIP editors and so what goes into the=20
repo is not at the whim of a single person.

> 2. How are numbers going to be assigned to BIPs?

Does it matter? The number that a proposal gets has no impact on=20
literally anything else. They could do it sequentially and it wouldn't=20
actually make a difference as long as there are no collisions.

> 3. Will there be copy of BIPs and pull requests maintained elsewhere=20
> like bitcoin core?

I'm not sure why this is relevant to this discussion, but presumably=20
there already are, and if there aren't, you can do it yourself. It's=20
just like any other repo on GitHub.

> 4. What are the expectations from new BIP editors? In what situation do=
=20
> we look for next BIP editors or in other words, what will be the process=
=20
> to remove an editor if lot of people are unhappy with their work?

The expectations are as outlined to BIP 2, and that they are actually=20
active. The situation for looking for new BIP editors in the future is=20
presumably similar to the one we are in currently - people who write=20
BIPs are frustrated with things taking a long time to be merged with the=20
root cause being slow response times from the current editor. The=20
process would likely be very similar: names are proposed, there is=20
discussion about those people, and eventually some are added.

As for removal, this has not been something we've ever done before, so=20
the process for this is undefined. However, it would presumably be a=20
similar procedure as for adding someone. It begins with someone raising=20
a complaint about one of the editors on this mailing list or some other=20
place a discussion, and a community discussion commences about whether=20
or not to remove them.

There are certainly situations where one of the GitHub org owners may=20
take emergency action and remove a maintainer's privileges. This is only=20
done when there is a clear danger than the account may do something=20
malicious, and the privileges would be returned if there is clarity that=20
it is safe to do so. For example, this was done when Luke was hacked -=20
all of his permissions were immediately removed as soon as the news came=20
out, and were only returned several months later once verified=20
communication with Luke were established and he was certain that his=20
GitHub account was no longer (at risk of being) compromised.

Ava

>=20
> /dev/fd0
> floppy disk guy
>=20
> On Monday, April 1, 2024 at 9:16:54=E2=80=AFPM UTC David A. Harding wrote=
:
>=20
>     On 2024-03-28 10:04, Matt Corallo wrote:
>      > Please provide justification rather than simply saying "I like
>     Bob!".
>=20
>     Using only comments from the mailing list, the following appears to b=
e
>     the candidate list along with the current support. Asterisks denote
>     candidates who indicated their willingness to accept the role.
>=20
>     - Bryan "Kanzure" Bishop, recommended by Ava Chow[1], Chris Stewart[3=
],
>     Michael Folkson[6], Peter Todd[9], Matt Corallo[10], Brandon
>     Black[11],
>     Antoine Riard[12], Murch[13], Antoine Poinsot[15], John Carvalho[16]
>=20
>     - Ruben Somsen, recommended by Ava Chow[1], Chris Stewart[3], Michael
>     Folkson[6], Antoine Riard[12], Murch[13], Antoine Poinsot[15], John
>     Carvalho[16]
>=20
>     - Jon Atack*, recommended by Luke Dashjr[2], Chris Stewart[3],
>     /dev/fd0[5][7],
>     Brandon Black[11], Antoine Riard[12], Ava Chow[14], John Carvalho[16]
>=20
>     - Olaoluwa "Roasbeef" Osuntokun, recommended by Chris Stewart[3], Joh=
n
>     C. Vernaleo[4], /dev/fd0[5][7], Keagan McClelland[8], Antoine
>     Riard[12], Ava Chow[14]
>=20
>     - Mark "Murch" Erhardt*, recommended by Michael Folkson[6], Keagan
>     McClelland[8], Matt Corallo[10], Brandon Black[11], Antoine Riard[12]=
,
>     Ava Chow[14]
>=20
>     - Michael Folkson*
>=20
>     Note: Luke Dashjr proposed[17] Seccour and Greg Tonoski for "non-dev
>     triaging", Tonoski proposed himself[18] for "BIP editor", and Antoine
>     Riard[12] proposed Seccour for "decentralized PM".
>=20
>     I searched the BIPs repo by commenter to see if any of the above
>     candidates had been especially active there, which is listed below as=
:
>     total PRs they commented on (number still open/number closed).
>=20
>     - 21 (1/20) commenter:kanzure
>     - 3 (2/1) commenter:rubensomsen
>     - 15 (0/15) commenter:jonatack
>     - 18 (2/16) commenter:roasbeef
>     - 10 (6/4) commenter:Murchandamus
>     - 57 (6/51) commenter:michaelfolkson
>=20
>     I'll also note that Osuntokun is the only member of the set to have a
>     merged BIP that they co-authored, although I believe there are
>     far-along
>     draft BIPs for both Murch (terminology) and Somsen (Silent Payments).=
 I
>     don't think this should be a requirement, but I do think it
>     demonstrates
>     familiarity with the process.
>=20
>     Speaking only for myself, I think all of the candidates above with
>     multiple recommendations from other community participants are fully
>     qualified for the role, so I'll only provide a detailed justification
>     for the person who would be my first pick: Murch is not only a
>     longstanding and broadly liked Bitcoin contributor, but (as Corallo
>     mentioned) he has worked on standardizing terminology through a draft
>     BIP. In addition, he provided an extremely detailed review of all 300
>     pages of a draft of Mastering Bitcoin (3rd edition) and has reviewed
>     drafts of over 200 weekly Optech newsletters, in both cases
>     significantly improving the accuracy and comprehensibility of the
>     documentation. To me, that seems very similar to the work we'd ask hi=
m
>     to perform as a BIPs editor and it's something that he's already doin=
g,
>     so I think there's an excellent fit of person to role.
>=20
>     -Dave
>=20
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