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Subject: Re: [Bitcoin-development] 32 vs 64-bit timestamp fields
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On Wed, May 08, 2013 at 10:42:44PM -0400, Peter Todd wrote:
> Ah, shoot, I just realized we both got missed Pieter's point entirely:
> he means to change the meaning of the header timestamp to be relative
> time passed since the last block...
No, though that's also a possibility, but a backward-incompatible one.
What I mean is have a well-defined 64-bit timestamp for each block, but
only put the lowest 32 bit in the header. Under the condition:
* There is never a gap of more than 136 years between two blocks.
The actual 64-bit timestamp can be deterministically derived from the
header, by prefixing it with the lowest 32-bit value that does not
cause the result to violate the
at-least-above-the-median-of-the-previous-11-blocks rule.
--
Pieter
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