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Subject: Re: [Bitcoin-development] replace-by-fee v0.10.0rc4
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On Feb 12, 2015, at 3:16 PM, Mike Hearn <mike@plan99.net> wrote:
> You can not consider the outcome resulting by replace-by-fee =
fraudulent, as it could be the world as observed by some.
>=20
> Fraudulent in what sense?
Assume a wallet that sends double spend of the coin spent for services =
with higher fees to some of its nodes simultaneously.
Merchants will catch and reject most of the attempts, but that will not =
stop the scheme in a setup where customer are anonymous and distant.
Miner will see a mixed picture and will struggle to act =93honestly=94 =
on a statistical measure.
Tamas Blummer
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of the attempts, but that will not stop the scheme in a setup where =
customer are anonymous and distant.</div><div><br></div><div>Miner will =
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