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Hi Bob,

On Wednesday, May 21st, 2025 at 1:24 PM, Bob Burnett <bob.burnett@barefootm=
ining.com> wrote:

> None of my comments insinuate that deals would not be public or that all =
users and all miners would not have access to this service. The product/ser=
vice I am working on would be public and anyone could participate.

By publicly-enforced I literally mean deals enforced by the public, i.e., t=
he Bitcoin network, where anyone is free to participate without needing to =
ask anyone for permission (e.g., I could imagine some hypothetical mechanis=
m to buy futures of block space directly, as part of Bitcoin's network rule=
s). This is in contrast with what I think you're referring to, a business d=
eal, known to the public or not, that is enforced by parties knowing each o=
ther, and having legal agreements between them, or at least some means of l=
egal recourse.

The point is that revenue streams for miners that rely on them being identi=
fiable real-world parties hurt permissionless of entry to the mining market=
, as they'd either need to build up their own contracts with block space us=
ers (where a new small-hashrate miner would be in a bad negotiating positio=
n), or join a conglomerate of miners that handles these contracts jointly -=
 requiring asking the conglomerate for permission.

> A world in which there is no ability for users to have some level of cert=
ainty about access to future blockspace and the cost of that blockspace is =
not one that, imo, can scale to the levels that I believe we all hope to at=
tain. Blockspace can/should act like any other commodity (think corn or soy=
beans) in which sellers (miners) mitigate risk and lock in long term revenu=
e streams, and consumers (users) can guarantee their future access and the =
cost of that access. Blockspace acting as purely a real-time, spot market i=
s not one that I feel is capable of scaling to global levels.

And yes, I understand how demand for such services makes sense, and I do no=
t fault you for pursuing them. But they are a threat, and I think the Bitco=
in ecosystem should think hard about how to avoid their emergence.

--

Pieter

>

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<div style=3D"font-family: Arial, sans-serif; font-size: 14px;">Hi Bob,</di=
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<div style=3D"font-family: Arial, sans-serif; font-size: 14px;"><br><div cl=
ass=3D"protonmail_quote">
        On Wednesday, May 21st, 2025 at 1:24 PM, Bob Burnett &lt;bob.burnet=
t@barefootmining.com&gt; wrote:<br>
        <blockquote class=3D"protonmail_quote" type=3D"cite">
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<div class=3D"WordSection1">
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size:11.0pt">None of my comments=
 insinuate that deals would not be public or that all users and all miners =
would not have access to this service.&nbsp; The product/service I am worki=
ng on would be public and anyone could participate.</span></p></div></block=
quote><p class=3D"MsoNormal"><br></p><p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"=
font-size:11.0pt">By publicly-enforced I literally mean deals enforced by t=
he public, i.e., the Bitcoin network, where anyone is free to participate w=
ithout needing to ask anyone for permission (e.g., I could imagine some hyp=
othetical mechanism to buy futures of block space directly, as part of Bitc=
oin's network rules). This is in contrast with what I think you're referrin=
g to, a business deal, known to the public or not, that is enforced by part=
ies knowing each other, and having legal agreements between them, or at lea=
st some means of legal recourse.</span></p><p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span sty=
le=3D"font-size:11.0pt"><br></span></p><p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=
=3D"font-size:11.0pt">The point is that revenue streams for miners that rel=
y on them being identifiable real-world parties hurt permissionless of entr=
y to the mining market, as they'd either need to build up their own contrac=
ts with block space users (where a new small-hashrate miner would be in a b=
ad negotiating position), or join a conglomerate of miners that handles the=
se contracts jointly - requiring asking the conglomerate for permission.</s=
pan></p><p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size:11.0pt"><br></span>=
</p><blockquote class=3D"protonmail_quote" type=3D"cite"><div class=3D"Word=
Section1"><p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size:11.0pt">A world i=
n which there is no ability for users to have some level of certainty about=
 access to future blockspace and the cost of that blockspace is not one tha=
t, imo, can scale to the levels that I believe we all hope to attain.&nbsp;=
 Blockspace can/should act
 like any other commodity (think corn or soybeans) in which sellers (miners=
) mitigate risk and lock in long term revenue streams, and consumers (users=
) can guarantee their future access and the cost of that access.&nbsp; Bloc=
kspace acting as purely a real-time,
 spot market is not one that I feel is capable of scaling to global levels.=
 <br></span></p></div></blockquote><p class=3D"MsoNormal"><br></p><p class=
=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size:11.0pt"></span></p><p><span style=
=3D"font-size:11.0pt">And yes, I=20
understand how demand for such services makes sense, and I do not fault=20
you for pursuing them. But they are a threat, and I think the Bitcoin=20
ecosystem should think hard about how to avoid their emergence.</span></p><=
p><span style=3D"font-size:11.0pt">-- <br></span></p><p><span style=3D"font=
-size:11.0pt">Pieter</span></p><p><span style=3D"font-size:11.0pt"><br></sp=
an></p><p></p><blockquote class=3D"protonmail_quote" type=3D"cite"><div cla=
ss=3D"WordSection1"><p class=3D"MsoNormal">
    </p></div></blockquote></div></div>

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