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>
> None of this particularly requires CTV, but it does require the type of
> composable and flexible software that I aspire to deliver with Sapio.


 Does this imply that there is some kind of Sapio client to be run
alongside a Bitcoin full node similar to how a Lightning node would
operate? If so, are the computation, bandwidth, and liveness requirements
for someone running Sapio contracts more or less comparable to Lightning?

The implementation approach seems pretty interesting overall and reminds me
of concepts like bitcoin bug bounties (https://bitcoinacks.com/ for
example) but perhaps with the potential for more sophisticated
functionality.

Will try to take a closer look at the https://github.com/sapio-lang/sapio
if that seems like a recommended starting point.

Thanks!

On Wed, Dec 22, 2021 at 10:47 PM Jeremy via bitcoin-dev <
bitcoin-dev@lists.linuxfoundation.org> wrote:

> Hi Devs,
>
> Enjoy! https://rubin.io/bitcoin/2021/12/22/advent-25/
>
> I'm really excited about opportunities for capital formation to happen
> natively in Bitcoin. This is actually a really big deal and something (I
> think) to pay close attention to. This is basically like running a little
> company with shareholders inside of Bitcoin, which to me really helps us
> inhabit the "be your own bank" part of Bitcoin. None of this particularly
> requires CTV, but it does require the type of composable and flexible
> software that I aspire to deliver with Sapio.
>
> business matter:
>
> There are two more posts, and they will both be focused on getting this
> stuff out into the wild more. If you particularly have thoughts on BIP-119
> activation I would love to hear them publicly, or at your preference,
> privately.
>
> If you like or dislike BIP-119 and wish to "soft-signal" yes or no
> publicly, you may do so on https://utxos.org/signals by editing the
> appropriate file(s) and making a PR. Alternatively, comment somewhere
> publicly I can link to, send it to me, and I will make the edits.
>
> edit links:
> - for individuals/devs:
> https://github.com/JeremyRubin/utxos.org/edit/master/data/devs.yaml
> - organizations:
> https://github.com/JeremyRubin/utxos.org/edit/master/data/bizs.yaml
> - miners/pools:
> https://github.com/JeremyRubin/utxos.org/edit/master/data/hashratesnapshot.json
>
> Best,
>
> Jeremy
>
> --
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<div dir=3D"ltr"><blockquote class=3D"gmail_quote" style=3D"margin:0px 0px =
0px 0.8ex;border-left:1px solid rgb(204,204,204);padding-left:1ex"><span st=
yle=3D"color:rgb(0,0,0);font-family:arial,helvetica,sans-serif">None of thi=
s particularly requires CTV, but it does require the type of composable and=
 flexible software that I aspire to deliver with Sapio.</span></blockquote>=
<div><br>=C2=A0Does this imply that there is some kind of Sapio client to b=
e run alongside a Bitcoin full node similar to how a Lightning node would o=
perate? If so, are the computation, bandwidth, and liveness requirements fo=
r someone running Sapio contracts more or less comparable to Lightning?<br>=
<br>The implementation approach seems pretty interesting overall and remind=
s me of concepts like bitcoin bug bounties (<a href=3D"https://bitcoinacks.=
com/">https://bitcoinacks.com/</a> for example) but perhaps with the potent=
ial for more sophisticated functionality.<br><br>Will try to take a closer =
look at the <a href=3D"https://github.com/sapio-lang/sapio">https://github.=
com/sapio-lang/sapio</a> if that seems like a recommended starting point.<b=
r><br>Thanks!</div></div><br><div class=3D"gmail_quote"><div dir=3D"ltr" cl=
ass=3D"gmail_attr">On Wed, Dec 22, 2021 at 10:47 PM Jeremy via bitcoin-dev =
&lt;<a href=3D"mailto:bitcoin-dev@lists.linuxfoundation.org">bitcoin-dev@li=
sts.linuxfoundation.org</a>&gt; wrote:<br></div><blockquote class=3D"gmail_=
quote" style=3D"margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;border-left:1px solid rgb(204,204,=
204);padding-left:1ex"><div dir=3D"ltr"><div class=3D"gmail_default" style=
=3D"font-family:arial,helvetica,sans-serif;font-size:small;color:rgb(0,0,0)=
">Hi Devs,</div><div class=3D"gmail_default" style=3D"font-family:arial,hel=
vetica,sans-serif;font-size:small;color:rgb(0,0,0)"><br></div><div class=3D=
"gmail_default" style=3D"font-family:arial,helvetica,sans-serif;font-size:s=
mall;color:rgb(0,0,0)"><div class=3D"gmail_default">Enjoy! <a href=3D"https=
://rubin.io/bitcoin/2021/12/22/advent-25/" target=3D"_blank">https://rubin.=
io/bitcoin/2021/12/22/advent-25/</a></div></div><div class=3D"gmail_default=
" style=3D"font-family:arial,helvetica,sans-serif;font-size:small;color:rgb=
(0,0,0)"><br></div><div class=3D"gmail_default" style=3D"font-family:arial,=
helvetica,sans-serif;font-size:small;color:rgb(0,0,0)">I&#39;m really excit=
ed about opportunities=C2=A0for capital formation to happen natively in Bit=
coin. This is actually a really big deal and something (I think) to pay clo=
se attention to. This is basically like running a little company with share=
holders inside of Bitcoin, which to me really helps us inhabit the &quot;be=
 your own bank&quot; part of Bitcoin. None of this particularly requires CT=
V, but it does require the type of composable and flexible software that I =
aspire to deliver with Sapio.</div><div class=3D"gmail_default" style=3D"fo=
nt-family:arial,helvetica,sans-serif;font-size:small;color:rgb(0,0,0)"><br>=
</div><div class=3D"gmail_default" style=3D"font-family:arial,helvetica,san=
s-serif;font-size:small;color:rgb(0,0,0)">business matter:</div><div class=
=3D"gmail_default" style=3D"font-family:arial,helvetica,sans-serif;font-siz=
e:small;color:rgb(0,0,0)"><br></div><div class=3D"gmail_default" style=3D"f=
ont-family:arial,helvetica,sans-serif;font-size:small;color:rgb(0,0,0)">The=
re are two more posts, and they will both be focused on getting this stuff =
out into the wild more. If you particularly have thoughts on BIP-119 activa=
tion I would love to hear them publicly, or at your preference, privately.<=
/div><div class=3D"gmail_default" style=3D"font-family:arial,helvetica,sans=
-serif;font-size:small;color:rgb(0,0,0)"><br></div><div class=3D"gmail_defa=
ult" style=3D"font-family:arial,helvetica,sans-serif;font-size:small;color:=
rgb(0,0,0)">If you like or dislike BIP-119 and wish to &quot;soft-signal&qu=
ot; yes or no publicly, you may do so on <a href=3D"https://utxos.org/signa=
ls" target=3D"_blank">https://utxos.org/signals</a> by editing the appropri=
ate file(s) and making a PR. Alternatively, comment somewhere publicly I ca=
n link to, send it to me, and I will make the edits.</div><div class=3D"gma=
il_default" style=3D"font-family:arial,helvetica,sans-serif;font-size:small=
;color:rgb(0,0,0)"><br></div><div class=3D"gmail_default" style=3D"font-fam=
ily:arial,helvetica,sans-serif;font-size:small;color:rgb(0,0,0)">edit links=
:</div><div class=3D"gmail_default" style=3D"font-family:arial,helvetica,sa=
ns-serif;font-size:small;color:rgb(0,0,0)">- for individuals/devs:=C2=A0<a =
href=3D"https://github.com/JeremyRubin/utxos.org/edit/master/data/devs.yaml=
" target=3D"_blank">https://github.com/JeremyRubin/utxos.org/edit/master/da=
ta/devs.yaml</a></div><div class=3D"gmail_default" style=3D"font-family:ari=
al,helvetica,sans-serif;font-size:small;color:rgb(0,0,0)">- organizations:=
=C2=A0<a href=3D"https://github.com/JeremyRubin/utxos.org/edit/master/data/=
bizs.yaml" target=3D"_blank">https://github.com/JeremyRubin/utxos.org/edit/=
master/data/bizs.yaml</a></div><div class=3D"gmail_default" style=3D"font-f=
amily:arial,helvetica,sans-serif;font-size:small;color:rgb(0,0,0)">- miners=
/pools:=C2=A0<a href=3D"https://github.com/JeremyRubin/utxos.org/edit/maste=
r/data/hashratesnapshot.json" target=3D"_blank">https://github.com/JeremyRu=
bin/utxos.org/edit/master/data/hashratesnapshot.json</a></div><div class=3D=
"gmail_default" style=3D"font-family:arial,helvetica,sans-serif;font-size:s=
mall;color:rgb(0,0,0)"><br></div><div class=3D"gmail_default" style=3D"font=
-family:arial,helvetica,sans-serif;font-size:small;color:rgb(0,0,0)">Best,<=
/div><div class=3D"gmail_default" style=3D"font-family:arial,helvetica,sans=
-serif;font-size:small;color:rgb(0,0,0)"><br></div><div class=3D"gmail_defa=
ult" style=3D"font-family:arial,helvetica,sans-serif;font-size:small;color:=
rgb(0,0,0)">Jeremy</div><br clear=3D"all"><div><div dir=3D"ltr"><div dir=3D=
"ltr">--<br><a href=3D"https://twitter.com/JeremyRubin" target=3D"_blank">@=
JeremyRubin</a><a href=3D"https://twitter.com/JeremyRubin" target=3D"_blank=
"></a></div></div></div></div>
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 class=3D"gmail_signature"><div dir=3D"ltr"><div><div dir=3D"ltr"><div><div=
 dir=3D"ltr"><div dir=3D"ltr"><div dir=3D"ltr"><span style=3D"font-size:12.=
8px">Oscar Lafarga</span><div style=3D"font-size:12.8px"><a href=3D"https:/=
/www.setdev.io/" target=3D"_blank">https://www.setlife.network<br></a></div=
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