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On Fri, Feb 3, 2023 at 10:17 PM Christopher Allen via bitcoin-dev <
bitcoin-dev@lists.linuxfoundation.org> wrote:
> On Fri, Feb 3, 2023 at 3:52 AM Aymeric Vitte via bitcoin-dev <
> bitcoin-dev@lists.linuxfoundation.org> wrote:
>
>> I think the right way so people don't invent deviant things is to
>> increase the size of OP_RETURN, I don't get this number of 80B, you can
>> hardly store a signature (of what?) in there and not the "what" if the
>> "what" is a hash for example
>>
>
> Updating the size of OP_RETURN to support a hash (or two), a signature,
> and maybe a few more bytes for metadata, would be very helpful in a number
> of scenarios. It is still a limit but a reasonable one. Otherwise, I think
> we'll have a lot more inscription-style scenarios.
>
I wouldn't be against an increase in OP_RETURN but I don't think it will
make any difference in how often inscription-style use cases will be used.
They will be used primarily for much larger datasets than, say 120 bytes,
and they also have the segwit discount.
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<div dir=3D"ltr" class=3D"gmail_attr">On Fri, Feb 3, 2023 at 10:17 PM Chris=
topher Allen via bitcoin-dev <<a href=3D"mailto:bitcoin-dev@lists.linuxf=
oundation.org">bitcoin-dev@lists.linuxfoundation.org</a>> wrote:<br></di=
v><blockquote class=3D"gmail_quote" style=3D"margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;borde=
r-left:1px solid rgb(204,204,204);padding-left:1ex"><div dir=3D"ltr"><div d=
ir=3D"ltr">On Fri, Feb 3, 2023 at 3:52 AM Aymeric Vitte via bitcoin-dev <=
;<a href=3D"mailto:bitcoin-dev@lists.linuxfoundation.org" target=3D"_blank"=
>bitcoin-dev@lists.linuxfoundation.org</a>> wrote:<br></div><div class=
=3D"gmail_quote"><blockquote class=3D"gmail_quote" style=3D"margin:0px 0px =
0px 0.8ex;border-left:1px solid rgb(204,204,204);padding-left:1ex">I think =
the right way so people don't invent deviant things is to<br>
increase the size of OP_RETURN, I don't get this number of 80B, you can=
<br>
hardly store a signature (of what?) in there and not the "what" i=
f the<br>
"what" is a hash for example<br></blockquote><div><br></div><div>=
Updating the size of OP_RETURN to support a hash (or two), a signature, and=
maybe a few more bytes for metadata, would be very helpful in a number of =
scenarios. It is still a limit but a reasonable one. Otherwise, I think we&=
#39;ll have a lot more inscription-style scenarios.</div><div></div></div><=
/div></blockquote><div><br></div>I wouldn't be against an increase in O=
P_RETURN but I don't think it will make any difference in how often ins=
cription-style use cases will be used. They will be used primarily for much=
larger datasets than, say 120 bytes, and they also have the segwit discoun=
t.<br></div></div>
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