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I think I can solve the debate and give everyone what they want.
Some people want BIP65, others do not.
We can roll out 65 in a clever way, such that Greg/PeterT can get it, but
Mike and Peter R don't need to have it (both versions can run alongside
each other). Even better, people can switch back and forth between versions
as much as they like.
How might this work? Well, paradoxically, we could do this by *imposing
additional constraints* on transaction validation, such that transactions
made a very specific certain way will always look valid to non-CLTVers, but
for CLTVers they will not be valid unless the CLTV rules are followed. The
obvious concern is that non-CLTV people might receive invalid payments.
However, their software is already set up to request payments in a non-CLTV
way, so, luckily, this is actually not a problem at all! SPV clients can
elect to only connect to nodes which are non-CLTV.
Problem solved!
I am happy to have solved this problem for you all, and ended this discord
harmoniously. If we all put our heads together, these words of founding
father Aretha Franklin will ring true: "there's nothing we can't overcome".
On Tue, Oct 6, 2015 at 3:29 AM, Marcel Jamin via bitcoin-dev <
bitcoin-dev@lists.linuxfoundation.org> wrote:
> This is childish and very disappointing to see.
>
> 2015-10-06 9:20 GMT+02:00 Eric Lombrozo via bitcoin-dev <
> bitcoin-dev@lists.linuxfoundation.org>:
>
>> I prefer the term "clown".
>>
>> Can we please move on?
>>
>> ------ Original Message ------
>> From: "cipher anthem via bitcoin-dev" <
>> bitcoin-dev@lists.linuxfoundation.org>
>> To: milly@bitcoins.info
>> Cc: bitcoin-dev@lists.linuxfoundation.org
>> Sent: 10/6/2015 12:17:14 AM
>> Subject: Re: [bitcoin-dev] This thread is not about the soft/hard fork
>> technical debate
>>
>> Sent: Monday, October 05, 2015 at 8:21 PM
>>>> From: "Milly Bitcoin via bitcoin-dev" <
>>>> bitcoin-dev@lists.linuxfoundation.org>
>>>> To: bitcoin-dev@lists.linuxfoundation.org
>>>> Subject: Re: [bitcoin-dev] This thread is not about the soft/hard fork
>>>> technical debate
>>>> On 10/5/2015 4:05 PM, Steven Pine via bitcoin-dev wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> It's pretty clear Mike has turned into concern troll and bully.
>>>>>
>>>>
>>> "troll" and, even worse, "concern troll" are terms generally used by
>>>> teenagers on places like Reddit to complain about someone who doesn't
>>>> agree with them.
>>>>
>>>
>>> They should substitute troll for cultist so they appear more
>>> professional...
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<div dir=3D"ltr">I think I can solve the debate and give everyone what they=
want.<br><br>Some people want BIP65, others do not.<br><br>We can roll out=
65 in a clever way, such that Greg/PeterT can get it, but Mike and Peter R=
don't need to have it (both versions can run alongside each other). Ev=
en better, people can switch back and forth between versions as much as the=
y like.<br><br>How might this work? Well, paradoxically, we could do this b=
y *imposing additional constraints* on transaction validation, such that tr=
ansactions made a very specific certain way will always look valid to non-C=
LTVers, but for CLTVers they will not be valid unless the CLTV rules are fo=
llowed. The obvious concern is that non-CLTV people might receive invalid p=
ayments. However, their software is already set up to request payments in a=
non-CLTV way, so, luckily, this is actually not a problem at all! SPV clie=
nts can elect to only connect to nodes which are non-CLTV.<div><br></div><d=
iv>Problem solved!<br><br>I am happy to have solved this problem for you al=
l, and ended this discord harmoniously. If we all put our heads together, t=
hese words of founding father Aretha Franklin will ring true: "there&#=
39;s nothing we can't overcome".<br><br></div></div><div class=3D"=
gmail_extra"><br><div class=3D"gmail_quote">On Tue, Oct 6, 2015 at 3:29 AM,=
Marcel Jamin via bitcoin-dev <span dir=3D"ltr"><<a href=3D"mailto:bitco=
in-dev@lists.linuxfoundation.org" target=3D"_blank">bitcoin-dev@lists.linux=
foundation.org</a>></span> wrote:<br><blockquote class=3D"gmail_quote" s=
tyle=3D"margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex"><div=
dir=3D"ltr">This is childish and very disappointing to see.</div><div clas=
s=3D"HOEnZb"><div class=3D"h5"><div class=3D"gmail_extra"><br><div class=3D=
"gmail_quote">2015-10-06 9:20 GMT+02:00 Eric Lombrozo via bitcoin-dev <span=
dir=3D"ltr"><<a href=3D"mailto:bitcoin-dev@lists.linuxfoundation.org" t=
arget=3D"_blank">bitcoin-dev@lists.linuxfoundation.org</a>></span>:<br><=
blockquote class=3D"gmail_quote" style=3D"margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px=
#ccc solid;padding-left:1ex">I prefer the term "clown".<br>
<br>
Can we please move on?<br>
<br>
------ Original Message ------<br>
From: "cipher anthem via bitcoin-dev" <<a href=3D"mailto:bitco=
in-dev@lists.linuxfoundation.org" target=3D"_blank">bitcoin-dev@lists.linux=
foundation.org</a>><br>
To: <a href=3D"mailto:milly@bitcoins.info" target=3D"_blank">milly@bitcoins=
.info</a><br>
Cc: <a href=3D"mailto:bitcoin-dev@lists.linuxfoundation.org" target=3D"_bla=
nk">bitcoin-dev@lists.linuxfoundation.org</a><br>
Sent: 10/6/2015 12:17:14 AM<br>
Subject: Re: [bitcoin-dev] This thread is not about the soft/hard fork tech=
nical debate<br>
<br>
<blockquote class=3D"gmail_quote" style=3D"margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1p=
x #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex"><blockquote class=3D"gmail_quote" style=3D"m=
argin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex">
=C2=A0Sent: Monday, October 05, 2015 at 8:21 PM<br>
=C2=A0From: "Milly Bitcoin via bitcoin-dev" <<a href=3D"mailto=
:bitcoin-dev@lists.linuxfoundation.org" target=3D"_blank">bitcoin-dev@lists=
.linuxfoundation.org</a>><br>
=C2=A0To: <a href=3D"mailto:bitcoin-dev@lists.linuxfoundation.org" target=
=3D"_blank">bitcoin-dev@lists.linuxfoundation.org</a><br>
=C2=A0Subject: Re: [bitcoin-dev] This thread is not about the soft/hard for=
k technical debate<br>
=C2=A0On 10/5/2015 4:05 PM, Steven Pine via bitcoin-dev wrote:<br>
<blockquote class=3D"gmail_quote" style=3D"margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1p=
x #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex">
=C2=A0It's pretty clear Mike has turned into concern troll and bully.<b=
r>
</blockquote></blockquote>
<br>
<blockquote class=3D"gmail_quote" style=3D"margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1p=
x #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex">
=C2=A0"troll" and, even worse, "concern troll" are term=
s generally used by<br>
=C2=A0teenagers on places like Reddit to complain about someone who doesn&#=
39;t<br>
=C2=A0agree with them.<br>
</blockquote>
<br>
They should substitute troll for cultist so they appear more professional..=
.<br>
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