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Subject: Re: [Bitcoin-development] Relative CHECKLOCKTIMEVERIFY (was CLTV
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On Mon, May 4, 2015 at 12:24 PM, Jorge Tim=C3=B3n <jtimon@jtimon.cc> wrote:

> What I was describing was an attempt to fix a similar proposal by Mark
> Friedenbach, but it didn't needed fixing: I was simply
> misunderstanding it.
> Mark's RCLTV is completely reorg safe, so there's no need for the 100
> block restriction. It also keeps the script validation independent
> from the utxo.
> Here's is how it works:
>
> The operator takes a relative_height parameter and it checks that the
> nSequence of the input is lower than that parameter.
>
> Additionally, a new check at the transaction level:
>
> for (unsigned int i =3D 0; i < tx.vin.size(); i++) {
> // ...
>             if (coins->nHeight + tx.vin[i].nSequence < nSpendHeight)
>                 return state.Invalid(false, REJECT_INVALID,
> "bad-txns-non-final-input");
> // ...
> }
>
> Well, this is assuming that we're only using it with heights and not
> timestamps.
> Mark, feel free to elaborate further.


Does dropping timestamp refer just to RCLTV or absolutely CLTV also? For
absolute CLTV I think it's important to have timestamps so that trust fund
use cases are practical (e.g. spendable on 18th birthday), because the
exact date a future block will be mined on is unpredictable if it's far
enough in the future (out by days or even weeks).

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<div dir=3D"ltr"><div class=3D"gmail_extra"><div class=3D"gmail_quote">On M=
on, May 4, 2015 at 12:24 PM, Jorge Tim=C3=B3n <span dir=3D"ltr">&lt;<a href=
=3D"mailto:jtimon@jtimon.cc" target=3D"_blank">jtimon@jtimon.cc</a>&gt;</sp=
an> wrote:<br><blockquote class=3D"gmail_quote" style=3D"margin:0 0 0 .8ex;=
border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex">What I was describing was an a=
ttempt to fix a similar proposal by Mark<br>
Friedenbach, but it didn&#39;t needed fixing: I was simply<br>
misunderstanding it.<br>
Mark&#39;s RCLTV is completely reorg safe, so there&#39;s no need for the 1=
00<br>
block restriction. It also keeps the script validation independent<br>
from the utxo.<br>
Here&#39;s is how it works:<br>
<br>
The operator takes a relative_height parameter and it checks that the<br>
nSequence of the input is lower than that parameter.<br>
<br>
Additionally, a new check at the transaction level:<br>
<span><br>
for (unsigned int i =3D 0; i &lt; tx.vin.size(); i++) {<br>
// ...<br>
</span>=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 if (coins-&gt;nHeight + tx=
.vin[i].nSequence &lt; nSpendHeight)<br>
=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 return state.Invali=
d(false, REJECT_INVALID,<br>
&quot;bad-txns-non-final-input&quot;);<br>
// ...<br>
}<br>
<br>
Well, this is assuming that we&#39;re only using it with heights and not ti=
mestamps.<br>
Mark, feel free to elaborate further.</blockquote><div><br></div><div>Does =
dropping timestamp refer just to RCLTV or absolutely CLTV also? For absolut=
e CLTV I think it&#39;s important to have timestamps so that trust fund use=
 cases are practical (e.g. spendable on 18th birthday), because the exact d=
ate a future block will be mined on is unpredictable if it&#39;s far enough=
 in the future (out by days or even weeks).<br></div><div><br></div></div><=
/div></div>

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