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From: Eric Voskuil <eric@voskuil.org>
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> On Apr 28, 2025, at 08:04, Sjors Provoost <sjors@sprovoost.nl> wrote:
>=20
>> I'm not aware of any compelling argument to hard fork out the existing c=
heckpoints
>=20
> Bitcoin Core plans to remove checkpoints entirely by v30 this fall. I jus=
t started a thread about this.

The thread does not provide or reference any compelling argument (or any ar=
gument that I can find) for removing the checkpoints.

One reference states that =E2=80=9Cassume valid=E2=80=9D speeds IBD, but of=
 course it does so by not validating. So this does not provide a comparable=
 offset to the increased validation cost, and even if it did does not provi=
de an argument for hard forking them out.

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