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10s of seconds if no further restrictions are placed. It would be trivial to=
include a new per input rule that reduces it to ~1s without cutting off any=
non-attack script (require sigops per input to be limited to witness/sig si=
ze). secp256k1 is now fast enough that we don=A1=AFt need a separate sigop l=
imit.
> On Sep 30, 2017, at 4:23 PM, Luke Dashjr <luke@dashjr.org> wrote:
>=20
> On Thursday 07 September 2017 12:38:55 AM Mark Friedenbach via bitcoin-dev=
=20
> wrote:
>> Tail-call execution semantics
>> BIP: https://gist.github.com/maaku/f7b2e710c53f601279549aa74eeb5368
>> Code: https://github.com/maaku/bitcoin/tree/tail-call-semantics
>=20
> Just noticed this doesn't count sigops toward the block sigop limit.
> Is that really safe? How long would it take, to verify a malicious block w=
ith=20
> only inputs such that there is nearly 4 MB of sigops?
>=20
> (I do already understand the difficulty in supporting the sigop limit.)
>=20
> Luke
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