1
2
3
4
5
6
7
8
9
10
11
12
13
14
15
16
17
18
19
20
21
22
23
24
25
26
27
28
29
30
31
32
33
34
35
36
37
38
39
40
41
42
43
44
45
46
47
48
49
50
51
52
53
54
55
56
57
58
59
60
61
62
63
64
65
66
67
68
69
70
71
72
73
74
75
76
|
Return-Path: <thomas@thomaszander.se>
Received: from smtp1.linuxfoundation.org (smtp1.linux-foundation.org
[172.17.192.35])
by mail.linuxfoundation.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 288D98BA
for <bitcoin-dev@lists.linuxfoundation.org>;
Sat, 8 Aug 2015 12:37:07 +0000 (UTC)
X-Greylist: from auto-whitelisted by SQLgrey-1.7.6
Received: from manxnetsf05.manx.net (outbound.manx.net [213.137.31.12])
by smtp1.linuxfoundation.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 944B016B
for <bitcoin-dev@lists.linuxfoundation.org>;
Sat, 8 Aug 2015 12:37:05 +0000 (UTC)
Received: from adsl178.16.5.237.manx.net (EHLO coldstorage.localnet)
([178.16.5.237])
by manxnetsf05.manx.net (MOS 4.4.5a-GA FastPath queued)
with ESMTP id EFW58530; Sat, 08 Aug 2015 13:37:03 +0100 (BST)
From: Thomas Zander <thomas@thomaszander.se>
To: Bitcoin Dev <bitcoin-dev@lists.linuxfoundation.org>
Date: Sat, 08 Aug 2015 14:37:02 +0200
Message-ID: <1725491.c810VbMBxP@coldstorage>
User-Agent: KMail/4.14.1 (Linux/3.16.0-4-amd64; KDE/4.14.2; x86_64; ; )
In-Reply-To: <CALqxMTELM5Q+q_g0Tz-tR8sU0bqFx+Piops1FX+xnn-Lk7oM2Q@mail.gmail.com>
References: <8185694.hShCHQnpze@coldstorage>
<20150808085451.4689995.38052.4163@thomaszander.se>
<CALqxMTELM5Q+q_g0Tz-tR8sU0bqFx+Piops1FX+xnn-Lk7oM2Q@mail.gmail.com>
MIME-Version: 1.0
Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7Bit
Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"
X-Mirapoint-Received-SPF: 178.16.5.237 coldstorage.localnet
thomas@thomaszander.se 5 none
X-Junkmail-Status: score=10/50, host=manxnetsf05.manx.net
X-Junkmail-Signature-Raw: score=unknown,
refid=str=0001.0A0B0203.55C5F7EF.00B8, ss=1, re=0.000, recu=0.000,
reip=0.000, cl=1, cld=1, fgs=0, ip=0.0.0.0,
so=2014-07-29 09:23:55, dmn=2013-03-21 17:37:32,
mode=multiengine
X-Junkmail-IWF: false
X-Mirapoint-Virus-RAPID-Raw: score=unknown(0),
refid=str=0001.0A0B0203.55C5F7EF.00B8, ss=1, re=0.000, recu=0.000,
reip=0.000, cl=1, cld=1, fgs=0, ip=0.0.0.0,
so=2014-07-29 09:23:55, dmn=2013-03-21 17:37:32
X-Mirapoint-Loop-Id: 24dfd6aff0edc0402cf1b89e428cb32e
X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2.6 required=5.0 tests=BAYES_00,RCVD_IN_DNSWL_LOW
autolearn=ham version=3.3.1
X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.3.1 (2010-03-16) on
smtp1.linux-foundation.org
Subject: Re: [bitcoin-dev] trust
X-BeenThere: bitcoin-dev@lists.linuxfoundation.org
X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.12
Precedence: list
List-Id: Bitcoin Development Discussion <bitcoin-dev.lists.linuxfoundation.org>
List-Unsubscribe: <https://lists.linuxfoundation.org/mailman/options/bitcoin-dev>,
<mailto:bitcoin-dev-request@lists.linuxfoundation.org?subject=unsubscribe>
List-Archive: <http://lists.linuxfoundation.org/pipermail/bitcoin-dev/>
List-Post: <mailto:bitcoin-dev@lists.linuxfoundation.org>
List-Help: <mailto:bitcoin-dev-request@lists.linuxfoundation.org?subject=help>
List-Subscribe: <https://lists.linuxfoundation.org/mailman/listinfo/bitcoin-dev>,
<mailto:bitcoin-dev-request@lists.linuxfoundation.org?subject=subscribe>
X-List-Received-Date: Sat, 08 Aug 2015 12:37:07 -0000
On Saturday 8. August 2015 12.54.36 Adam Back wrote:
> On 8 August 2015 at 09:54, Thomas Zander <thomas@thomaszander.se> wrote:
> > I didn't say off-chain, and gave an example of on-chain usecase with
> > trusted middleman.
> That's basically the definition of off-chain. When we say MtGox or
> coinbase etc are off-chain transactions, that is because a middle man
> has the private keys to the coins and gave you an IOU of some kind.
I'm so sorry to have to correct you again, and please don't feel bad about
misreading my post twice.
Sending something to another Bitcoin on-chain user is really on-chain. Please
believe me when I say that I actually understand my own example.
--
Thomas Zander
|
