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Ok thanks.=C2=A0 Using the correct terminology helps people understand what=
 you're talking about and take you seriously.

Cheers,
-Yancy

Mar 13, 2021 4:02:18 PM Lonero Foundation <loneroassociation@gmail.com>:

> Hi, I know the differences between the cryptographic hashing algorithm an=
d key validation. I know hashing is for SHA, but was referring to=C2=A0asym=
metric cryptography in regards to the key validation. I should have used a =
different term though instead of, "In regards to cryptographic hashing,", I=
 should have stated in regards to cryptographic key validation. There are a=
 few other dubious clarifications or minor edits I should make in order to =
not draw confusion. I will do a repo update today. Honest mistake, but enou=
gh with the sarcasm.
>=20
> Best regards, Andrew
>=20
> On Sat, Mar 13, 2021, 3:13 AM email@yancy.lol <email@yancy.lol> wrote:
>> My email was not intended as an insult.=C2=A0 Your proposal seemed a bit=
 like gibberish and made some obvious mistakes as pointed out before (such =
as conflating secp256k1 with sha256), and so I was genuinely curious if you=
 were a bot spamming the list.
>> =C2=A0
>> Maybe a more interesting topic is, can GPT3 be used to generate a BIP?=
=C2=A0 How long before our AI overlord produces improvements to Bitcoin?=C2=
=A0 At what point will the AI have more than 51% of commit frequency?=C2=A0=
 Will we have lost the war to our new centralized overlord?
>>=20
>> Cheers,
>> -Yancy
>>=20
>>=20
>> On Saturday, March 13, 2021 00:31 CET, Lonero Foundation <loneroassociat=
ion@gmail.com> wrote:
>> =C2=A0
>>> Also, I already stated I was referring to signature validation cryptogr=
aphy in that aspect: https://wizardforcel.gitbooks.io/practical-cryptograph=
y-for-developers-book/content/digital-signatures/ecdsa-sign-verify-examples=
.html
>>> My BIP has a primary purpose in regards to what I want to develop proof=
s for and the different cryptographic elements I want to develop proofs for=
.
>>> That said to those who disagree with the premise, I do prefer construct=
ive feedback over insults or making fun of one another. After all this is a=
n improvement proposal with a specific purpose aiming to develop a specific=
 thing, not a guy who is just wanting to copy and paste a repository and ca=
ll it a day.
>>> =C2=A0
>>> Best regards, Andrew
>>> =C2=A0
>>> On Fri, Mar 12, 2021 at 6:21 PM Lonero Foundation <loneroassociation@gm=
ail.com> wrote:
>>>> Hi, I also want to emphasize that my main point isn't just to create a=
 BTC hardfork or become another Bitcoin Cash, Gold, or SV. The main point i=
n regards to this BIP actually expands POW rather than replaces or creates =
an alternative. Many of the problems faced in regards to security in the fu=
ture as well as sustainability is something I believe lots of the changes I=
 am proposing can fix. In regards to technological implementation, once thi=
s is assigned draft status I am more than willing to create preprints expla=
ining the cryptography, hashing algorithm improvements, and consensus that =
I am working on. This is a highly technologically complex idea that I am wi=
lling to "call my bluff on" and expand upon. As for it being a draft, I thi=
nk this is a good starting point at least for draft status prior to working=
 on technological implementation.
>>>> =C2=A0
>>>> Best regards, Andrew
>>>> =C2=A0
>>>> On Fri, Mar 12, 2021 at 5:37 PM email@yancy.lol <email@yancy.lol> wrot=
e:
>>>>> I think Andrew himself is an algo.=C2=A0 The crypto training set must=
 not be very good.
>>>>>=20
>>>>> Cheers,
>>>>> -Yancy
>>>>>=20
>>>>> On Friday, March 12, 2021 17:54 CET, Lonero Foundation via bitcoin-de=
v <bitcoin-dev@lists.linuxfoundation.org> wrote:
>>>>> =C2=A0
>>>>>> =E2=80=A6
>>>>>=20
>>>>>=20
>>>>>=20
>>>>> =C2=A0
>>=20
>>=20
>>=20
>> =C2=A0

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 <body> <span style=3D"font-family:sans-serif">Ok thanks.&nbsp; Using the c=
orrect terminology helps people understand what you're talking about and ta=
ke you seriously.</span>=20
  <br>=20
  <br> <span style=3D"font-family:sans-serif">Cheers,</span>=20
  <br> <span style=3D"font-family:sans-serif">-Yancy</span>=20
  <br>=20
  <div>=20
   <br>=20
   <p>Mar 13, 2021 4:02:18 PM Lonero Foundation &lt;loneroassociation@gmail=
.com&gt;:</p>=20
   <blockquote style=3D"">=20
    <div dir=3D"auto" style=3D"">
      Hi, I know the differences between the cryptographic hashing algorith=
m and key validation. I know hashing is for SHA, but was referring to&nbsp;=
<span style=3D"">asymmetric cryptography in regards to the key validation. =
I should have used a different term though instead of, "In regards to crypt=
ographic hashing,", I should have stated in regards to cryptographic key va=
lidation. There are a few other dubious clarifications or minor edits I sho=
uld make in order to not draw confusion. I will do a repo update today. Hon=
est mistake, but enough with the sarcasm.</span>=20
     <div dir=3D"auto" style=3D""> <span style=3D""><br style=3D""></span>=
=20
     </div>=20
     <div dir=3D"auto" style=3D"">
       Best regards, Andrew=20
     </div>=20
    </div>=20
    <br style=3D"">=20
    <div class=3D"gmail_quote" style=3D"">=20
     <div dir=3D"ltr" class=3D"gmail_attr" style=3D"">
       On Sat, Mar 13, 2021, 3:13 AM email@yancy.lol &lt;email@yancy.lol&gt=
; wrote:=20
      <br style=3D"">=20
     </div>=20
     <blockquote class=3D"gmail_quote" style=3D"margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-le=
ft:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex">=20
      <p dir=3D"ltr" style=3D"line-height:1.38;margin-top:0pt;margin-bottom=
:0pt" id=3D"m_-7605373105595509035m_8158420199876589271m_-15817795546004172=
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n style=3D"background-color:transparent;font-variant:normal;white-space:pre=
-wrap;font-weight:400;text-decoration:none;vertical-align:baseline;font-siz=
e:11pt;font-family:Arial;font-style:normal">My email was not intended as an=
 insult.&nbsp; Your proposal seemed a bit like gibberish and made some obvi=
ous mistakes as pointed out before (such as conflating secp256k1 with sha25=
6), and so I was genuinely curious if you were a bot spamming the list.</sp=
an></p>&nbsp;=20
      <p dir=3D"ltr" style=3D"line-height:1.38;margin-top:0pt;margin-bottom=
:0pt"><span style=3D"background-color:transparent;font-variant:normal;white=
-space:pre-wrap;font-weight:400;text-decoration:none;vertical-align:baselin=
e;font-size:11pt;font-family:Arial;font-style:normal">Maybe a more interest=
ing topic is, can GPT3 be used to generate a BIP?&nbsp; How long before our=
 AI overlord produces improvements to Bitcoin?&nbsp; At what point will the=
 AI have more than 51% of commit frequency?&nbsp; Will we have lost the war=
 to our new centralized overlord?</span></p>=20
      <br style=3D"">Cheers,=20
      <br style=3D"">-Yancy=20
      <br style=3D"">=20
      <br style=3D"">=20
      <br style=3D"">On Saturday, March 13, 2021 00:31 CET, Lonero Foundati=
on &lt;<a href=3D"mailto:loneroassociation@gmail.com" rel=3D"noreferrer nor=
eferrer noreferrer noreferrer noreferrer noreferrer noreferrer" target=3D"_=
blank" style=3D"">loneroassociation@gmail.com</a>&gt; wrote:=20
      <br style=3D"">&nbsp;=20
      <blockquote type=3D"cite" cite=3D"http://CA+YkXXw5uh4yfvqDiBBEXcq188P=
EGku-NFFAq7uNuAFTG3ooTQ@mail.gmail.com" style=3D"">=20
       <div dir=3D"ltr" style=3D"">=20
        <div style=3D"">
          Also, I already stated I was referring to signature validation cr=
yptography in that aspect: <a href=3D"https://wizardforcel.gitbooks.io/prac=
tical-cryptography-for-developers-book/content/digital-signatures/ecdsa-sig=
n-verify-examples.html" rel=3D"noreferrer noreferrer noreferrer noreferrer =
noreferrer noreferrer noreferrer" target=3D"_blank" style=3D"">https://wiza=
rdforcel.gitbooks.io/practical-cryptography-for-developers-book/content/dig=
ital-signatures/ecdsa-sign-verify-examples.html</a>=20
        </div>=20
        <div style=3D"">
          My BIP has a primary purpose in regards to what I want to develop=
 proofs for and the different cryptographic elements I want to develop proo=
fs for.=20
        </div>=20
        <div style=3D"">
          That said to those who disagree with the premise, I do prefer con=
structive feedback over insults or making fun of one another. After all thi=
s is an improvement proposal with a specific purpose aiming to develop a sp=
ecific thing, not a guy who is just wanting to copy and paste a repository =
and call it a day.=20
        </div>=20
        <div style=3D"">
          &nbsp;=20
        </div>=20
        <div style=3D"">
          Best regards, Andrew=20
        </div>=20
       </div>&nbsp;=20
       <div class=3D"gmail_quote" style=3D"">=20
        <div dir=3D"ltr" class=3D"gmail_attr" style=3D"">
          On Fri, Mar 12, 2021 at 6:21 PM Lonero Foundation &lt;<a href=3D"=
mailto:loneroassociation@gmail.com" rel=3D"noreferrer noreferrer noreferrer=
 noreferrer noreferrer noreferrer noreferrer" target=3D"_blank" style=3D"">=
loneroassociation@gmail.com</a>&gt; wrote:=20
        </div>=20
        <blockquote class=3D"gmail_quote" style=3D"margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex=
;border-left:1px solid rgb(204,204,204);padding-left:1ex">=20
         <div dir=3D"ltr" style=3D"">=20
          <div style=3D"">
            Hi, I also want to emphasize that my main point isn't just to c=
reate a BTC hardfork or become another Bitcoin Cash, Gold, or SV. The main =
point in regards to this BIP actually expands POW rather than replaces or c=
reates an alternative. Many of the problems faced in regards to security in=
 the future as well as sustainability is something I believe lots of the ch=
anges I am proposing can fix. In regards to technological implementation, o=
nce this is assigned draft status I am more than willing to create preprint=
s explaining the cryptography, hashing algorithm improvements, and consensu=
s that I am working on. This is a highly technologically complex idea that =
I am willing to "call my bluff on" and expand upon. As for it being a draft=
, I think this is a good starting point at least for draft status prior to =
working on technological implementation.=20
          </div>=20
          <div style=3D"">
            &nbsp;=20
          </div>=20
          <div style=3D"">
            Best regards, Andrew=20
          </div>=20
         </div>&nbsp;=20
         <div class=3D"gmail_quote" style=3D"">=20
          <div dir=3D"ltr" class=3D"gmail_attr" style=3D"">
            On Fri, Mar 12, 2021 at 5:37 PM email@yancy.lol &lt;email@yancy=
.lol&gt; wrote:=20
          </div>=20
          <blockquote class=3D"gmail_quote" style=3D"margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8=
ex;border-left:1px solid rgb(204,204,204);padding-left:1ex">
            I think Andrew himself is an algo.&nbsp; The crypto training se=
t must not be very good.=20
           <br style=3D"">=20
           <br style=3D"">Cheers,=20
           <br style=3D"">-Yancy=20
           <br style=3D"">=20
           <br style=3D"">On Friday, March 12, 2021 17:54 CET, Lonero Found=
ation via bitcoin-dev &lt;<a href=3D"mailto:bitcoin-dev@lists.linuxfoundati=
on.org" rel=3D"noreferrer noreferrer noreferrer noreferrer noreferrer noref=
errer noreferrer" target=3D"_blank" style=3D"">bitcoin-dev@lists.linuxfound=
ation.org</a>&gt; wrote:=20
           <br style=3D"">&nbsp;=20
           <blockquote type=3D"cite" cite=3D"http://CA+YkXXz9aHfZtt-it_8w4o=
vF=3D-QaZ4_9vwDS0Kz36qhHwVDC5Q@mail.gmail.com" style=3D"">
             =E2=80=A6=20
           </blockquote>=20
           <br style=3D"">=20
           <br style=3D"">=20
           <br style=3D"">&nbsp;=20
          </blockquote>=20
         </div>=20
        </blockquote>=20
       </div>=20
      </blockquote>=20
      <br style=3D"">=20
      <br style=3D"">=20
      <br style=3D"">&nbsp;=20
     </blockquote>=20
    </div>=20
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