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If we want a non-repudiation mechanism in the protocol, we should =
explicitly define one rather than relying on =E2=80=9Cprima facie=E2=80=9D=
 assumptions. Otherwise, I would recommend not relying on the existence =
of a signed transaction as proof of intent to pay=E2=80=A6


> On Jun 19, 2015, at 9:36 AM, Matt Whitlock <bip@mattwhitlock.name> =
wrote:
>=20
> On Friday, 19 June 2015, at 3:53 pm, justusranvier@riseup.net wrote:
>> I'd also like to note that "prima facie" doesn't mean "always", it =
means
>> that "the default assumption, unless proven otherwise."
>=20
> Why would you automatically assume fraud by default? Shouldn't the =
null hypothesis be the default? Without any information one way or =
another, you ought to make *no assumption* about the fraudulence or =
non-fraudulence of any given double-spend.


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