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Subject: Re: [Bitcoin-development] Why are we bleeding nodes?
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Okay awesome. It seems like I set up a Litecoin node without knowing it
(because it was like this:
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=128122.0) I was able to bootstrap
it (https://litecoin.info/).
On Mon, Apr 7, 2014 at 12:40 PM, Mike Hearn <mike@plan99.net> wrote:
> It uses ~no electricity, it's not like mining.
>
> The primary resources it needs are disk space and bandwidth, after an
> intensive initial day or two of building the database.
>
> Actually, I wonder if we should start shipping (auditable) pre-baked
> databases calculated up to the last checkpoint so people can download them
> and boot up their node right away. Recalculating the entire thing from
> scratch every time isn't sustainable in the long run anyway.
>
>
> On Mon, Apr 7, 2014 at 7:35 PM, Brent Shambaugh <brent.shambaugh@gmail.com
> > wrote:
>
>> How difficult would it be to set up a node? Using lots of electricity at
>> home (if required) could be an issue, but I do have a Webfaction account.
>>
>>
>> On Mon, Apr 7, 2014 at 12:16 PM, Gregory Maxwell <gmaxwell@gmail.com>wrote:
>>
>>> On Mon, Apr 7, 2014 at 10:01 AM, Mark Friedenbach <mark@monetize.io>
>>> wrote:
>>> > On 04/07/2014 09:57 AM, Gregory Maxwell wrote:
>>> >> That is an implementation issue-- mostly one that arises as an indirect
>>> >> consequence of not having headers first and the parallel fetch, not a
>>> >> requirements issue.
>>> >
>>> > Oh, absolutely. But the question "why are people not running full
>>> > nodes?" has to do with the current implementation, not abstract
>>> > capabilities of a future version of the bitcoind code base.
>>>
>>> The distinction is very important because it's a matter of things we
>>> can and should fix vs things that cannot be fixed except by changing
>>> goals/incentives! Opposite approaches to handling them.
>>>
>>> When I read "resource requirements of a full node are moving beyond" I
>>> didn't extract from that that "there are implementation issues that
>>> need to be improved to make it work better for low resource users" due
>>> to the word "requirements".
>>>
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<div dir=3D"ltr">Okay awesome. It seems like I set up a Litecoin node witho=
ut knowing it (because it was like this:<br><a href=3D"https://bitcointalk.=
org/index.php?topic=3D128122.0">https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=3D1=
28122.0</a>) I was able to bootstrap it (<a href=3D"https://litecoin.info/"=
>https://litecoin.info/</a>).<br>
</div><div class=3D"gmail_extra"><br><br><div class=3D"gmail_quote">On Mon,=
Apr 7, 2014 at 12:40 PM, Mike Hearn <span dir=3D"ltr"><<a href=3D"mailt=
o:mike@plan99.net" target=3D"_blank">mike@plan99.net</a>></span> wrote:<=
br><blockquote class=3D"gmail_quote" style=3D"margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left=
:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex">
<div dir=3D"ltr">It uses ~no electricity, it's not like mining.<div><br=
></div><div>The primary resources it needs are disk space and bandwidth, af=
ter an intensive initial day or two of building the database.</div><div><br=
>
</div><div>Actually, I wonder if we should start shipping (auditable) pre-b=
aked databases calculated up to the last checkpoint so people can download =
them and boot up their node right away. Recalculating the entire thing from=
scratch every time isn't sustainable in the long run anyway.</div>
</div><div class=3D"HOEnZb"><div class=3D"h5"><div class=3D"gmail_extra"><b=
r><br><div class=3D"gmail_quote">On Mon, Apr 7, 2014 at 7:35 PM, Brent Sham=
baugh <span dir=3D"ltr"><<a href=3D"mailto:brent.shambaugh@gmail.com" ta=
rget=3D"_blank">brent.shambaugh@gmail.com</a>></span> wrote:<br>
<blockquote class=3D"gmail_quote" style=3D"margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1p=
x #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex"><div dir=3D"ltr">How difficult would it be t=
o set up a node? Using lots of electricity at home (if required) could be a=
n issue, but I do have a Webfaction account. <br>
</div><div><div><div class=3D"gmail_extra"><br><br><div class=3D"gmail_quot=
e">
On Mon, Apr 7, 2014 at 12:16 PM, Gregory Maxwell <span dir=3D"ltr"><<a h=
ref=3D"mailto:gmaxwell@gmail.com" target=3D"_blank">gmaxwell@gmail.com</a>&=
gt;</span> wrote:<br><blockquote class=3D"gmail_quote" style=3D"margin:0 0 =
0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex">
<div>On Mon, Apr 7, 2014 at 10:01 AM, Mark Friedenbach <<a href=3D"mailt=
o:mark@monetize.io" target=3D"_blank">mark@monetize.io</a>> wrote:<br>
> On 04/07/2014 09:57 AM, Gregory Maxwell wrote:<br>
>> That is an implementation issue— mostly one that arises as a=
n indirect<br>
>> consequence of not having headers first and the parallel fetch, no=
t a<br>
>> requirements issue.<br>
><br>
> Oh, absolutely. But the question "why are people not running full=
<br>
> nodes?" has to do with the current implementation, not abstract<b=
r>
> capabilities of a future version of the bitcoind code base.<br>
<br>
</div>The distinction is very important because it's a matter of things=
we<br>
can and should fix vs things that cannot be fixed except by changing<br>
goals/incentives! Opposite approaches to handling them.<br>
<br>
When I read "resource requirements of a full node are moving beyond&qu=
ot; I<br>
didn't extract from that that "there are implementation issues tha=
t<br>
need to be improved to make it work better for low resource users" due=
<br>
to the word "requirements".<br>
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