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> 1) Wouldn't the need to re-transact your coins to keep them safe from =
"vultures", result in people frantically sending coins to themselves, =
and thus expand the block chain, instead of reduce growth?

Not at the rate suggested

> 2) putting those hard limits in passes a value judgement that IMO =
should not be present in the protocol. <1BTC may be worth a lot some =
day, or it could go the other way around, with dust spam of 10+ BTC. =
Either way the limits will have to be changed again, with yet another =
fork.

Well, retransmitting 1BTC ones every 4 years isn't that bad. So I don't =
see a need for another fork for this reason.

> 3) The (normal) user does not have a view of his balance consisting of =
inputs and outputs of various sizes. He just sees his balance as one =
number. And somehow, inexplicably (except through a very difficult =
explanation), it's going down... what if he has 10000 BTC in 0.9999999 =
BTC units? Annnnnd it's gone after 210000 blocks.

Agree to this - and also to the fact that it will be hard to introduce - =
it would be changing the protocol quite a lot (perhaps too much).

A better set of relay fee rules rewarding a decrease in # UTXOs is =
probably the (easiest) way forward.

/M
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