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I liked the cheekiness of your summary, Adam ;)

I'm not sure why this needs to be a BIP. It is a UX detail--not really
related to bitcoin protocol or procedures. I wouldn't even call it a
description of best practices, since every product's use case is going to
be different.

If you think there is a compelling reason for why this needs to be a
documented standard, please elaborate!

Thanks,
James


On Sun, Nov 11, 2018 at 7:41 PM Adam Ficsor via bitcoin-dev <
bitcoin-dev@lists.linuxfoundation.org> wrote:

> Thank you for all your comments. To sum up:
>
> - There were no comments related to the implementation details.
> - There are concerns about this may incentivize users to use copypaste
> functionality extensively.
> - A counter argument was made that crypto hijackers use the clipboard,
> because that is the most convenient thing to hijack, not because they can
> only hijack that and, if Bitcoin users would move to other ways of
> specifying destinations, that may end up being just as an issue, too.
> - The rest of the conversation was about crypto hijackers, which I think
> is off topic in this thread.
>
> Finally I'd like to note, there's already a work in progress
> implementation in Wasabi:
> https://github.com/zkSNACKs/WalletWasabi/pull/825
>
> On Fri, Nov 9, 2018 at 1:14 AM Dmitry Petukhov via bitcoin-dev <
> bitcoin-dev@lists.linuxfoundation.org> wrote:
>
>>
>> > > Do you know any reasonably convenient mechanism for end user to
>> > > transfer an address from, say, a web page to the wallet address
>> > > input field ?
>> >
>> > - QR code scanning of a Bitcoin URI
>> > - On Android: A "bitcoin:" URI intent or a BIP70 payment message
>> > intent
>> > - On desktop OSes there are similar mechanisms to launch Apps from the
>> > browser (e.g. for mailto: links)
>>
>> This works if the author of the web page thought about this, and
>> created appropriate liks/qr codes. In many cases, addresses are
>> just presented for users as text, to copy.
>>
>> People also send addresses in message apps and emails. Maybe if
>> applications start to autodetect bitcoin addresses and convert them to
>> bitcoin: links, there will be less need to copy-paste. But I suspect
>> that this feature will not be quickly adopted by applications.
>>
>> > For cases where the payee is a well-known entity the BIP70 payment
>> > protocol has authentication via certificates. That doesn't work for
>> > the "the person in front of you is the only trust anchor you have"
>> > usecase though.
>>
>> There are also BIP75 and BIP47 that may help, but the number of wallets
>> that support these protocols is small (I think in part because of
>> relative complexity of these protocols).
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<div dir=3D"ltr">I liked the cheekiness of your summary, Adam ;)<div><br></=
div><div>I&#39;m not sure why this needs to be a BIP. It is a UX detail--no=
t really related to bitcoin protocol or procedures. I wouldn&#39;t even cal=
l it a description of best practices, since every product&#39;s use case is=
 going to be different.</div><div><br></div><div>If you think there is a co=
mpelling reason for why this needs to be a documented standard, please elab=
orate!</div><div><br></div><div>Thanks,</div><div><div><div dir=3D"ltr" cla=
ss=3D"gmail_signature" data-smartmail=3D"gmail_signature"><div dir=3D"ltr">=
<div>James<br></div></div></div></div><br></div></div><br><div class=3D"gma=
il_quote"><div dir=3D"ltr">On Sun, Nov 11, 2018 at 7:41 PM Adam Ficsor via =
bitcoin-dev &lt;<a href=3D"mailto:bitcoin-dev@lists.linuxfoundation.org">bi=
tcoin-dev@lists.linuxfoundation.org</a>&gt; wrote:<br></div><blockquote cla=
ss=3D"gmail_quote" style=3D"margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;pa=
dding-left:1ex"><div dir=3D"ltr"><div dir=3D"ltr">Thank you for all your co=
mments. To sum up:=C2=A0<br><br>- There were no comments related to the imp=
lementation details.<br>- There are concerns about this may incentivize use=
rs to use copypaste functionality extensively.<br>- A counter argument was =
made that crypto hijackers use the clipboard, because that is the most conv=
enient thing to hijack, not because they can only hijack that and, if Bitco=
in users would move to other ways of specifying destinations, that may end =
up being just as an issue, too.</div><div dir=3D"ltr">- The rest of the con=
versation was about crypto hijackers, which I think is off topic in this th=
read.<br><br>Finally I&#39;d like to note, there&#39;s already a work in pr=
ogress implementation in Wasabi:=C2=A0<a href=3D"https://github.com/zkSNACK=
s/WalletWasabi/pull/825" target=3D"_blank">https://github.com/zkSNACKs/Wall=
etWasabi/pull/825</a></div></div><br><div class=3D"gmail_quote"><div dir=3D=
"ltr">On Fri, Nov 9, 2018 at 1:14 AM Dmitry Petukhov via bitcoin-dev &lt;<a=
 href=3D"mailto:bitcoin-dev@lists.linuxfoundation.org" target=3D"_blank">bi=
tcoin-dev@lists.linuxfoundation.org</a>&gt; wrote:<br></div><blockquote cla=
ss=3D"gmail_quote" style=3D"margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;pa=
dding-left:1ex"><br>
&gt; &gt; Do you know any reasonably convenient mechanism for end user to<b=
r>
&gt; &gt; transfer an address from, say, a web page to the wallet address<b=
r>
&gt; &gt; input field ?=C2=A0 <br>
&gt; <br>
&gt; - QR code scanning of a Bitcoin URI<br>
&gt; - On Android: A &quot;bitcoin:&quot; URI intent or a BIP70 payment mes=
sage<br>
&gt; intent<br>
&gt; - On desktop OSes there are similar mechanisms to launch Apps from the=
<br>
&gt; browser (e.g. for mailto: links)<br>
<br>
This works if the author of the web page thought about this, and<br>
created appropriate liks/qr codes. In many cases, addresses are<br>
just presented for users as text, to copy.<br>
<br>
People also send addresses in message apps and emails. Maybe if<br>
applications start to autodetect bitcoin addresses and convert them to<br>
bitcoin: links, there will be less need to copy-paste. But I suspect<br>
that this feature will not be quickly adopted by applications.<br>
<br>
&gt; For cases where the payee is a well-known entity the BIP70 payment<br>
&gt; protocol has authentication via certificates. That doesn&#39;t work fo=
r<br>
&gt; the &quot;the person in front of you is the only trust anchor you have=
&quot;<br>
&gt; usecase though.<br>
<br>
There are also BIP75 and BIP47 that may help, but the number of wallets<br>
that support these protocols is small (I think in part because of<br>
relative complexity of these protocols).<br>
_______________________________________________<br>
bitcoin-dev mailing list<br>
<a href=3D"mailto:bitcoin-dev@lists.linuxfoundation.org" target=3D"_blank">=
bitcoin-dev@lists.linuxfoundation.org</a><br>
<a href=3D"https://lists.linuxfoundation.org/mailman/listinfo/bitcoin-dev" =
rel=3D"noreferrer" target=3D"_blank">https://lists.linuxfoundation.org/mail=
man/listinfo/bitcoin-dev</a><br>
</blockquote></div><br clear=3D"all"><div><br></div>-- <br><div dir=3D"ltr"=
 class=3D"m_-8626222342460661196gmail_signature" data-smartmail=3D"gmail_si=
gnature"><div dir=3D"ltr"><div><div dir=3D"ltr"><div><div dir=3D"ltr"><div>=
<div><span style=3D"font-size:13.3333339691162px">Best,<br>=C3=81d=C3=A1m</=
span></div></div></div></div></div></div></div></div>
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<a href=3D"mailto:bitcoin-dev@lists.linuxfoundation.org" target=3D"_blank">=
bitcoin-dev@lists.linuxfoundation.org</a><br>
<a href=3D"https://lists.linuxfoundation.org/mailman/listinfo/bitcoin-dev" =
rel=3D"noreferrer" target=3D"_blank">https://lists.linuxfoundation.org/mail=
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</blockquote></div>

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