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Nick,
> Please don't spread misinformation. Whatever you think of the DAO hard =
fork, it's a simple fact that the Ethereum ledger was not edited.
This sort of email is unhelpful to this conversation, and it certainly =
doesn't help with the perception that Ethereum is nothing but a bunch of =
hypocritical Bankers 2.0.
Everyone knows you didn't edit Ethereum Classic, but the the hard fork, =
which was re-branded as Ethereum, was edited.
- Greg
--
Please do not email me anything that you are not comfortable also =
sharing with the NSA.
> On Jun 7, 2017, at 6:25 AM, Nick Johnson <nick@ethereum.org =
<mailto:nick@ethereum.org>> wrote:
>=20
> On Wed, Jun 7, 2017 at 12:02 AM Gregory Maxwell via bitcoin-dev =
<bitcoin-dev@lists.linuxfoundation.org =
<mailto:bitcoin-dev@lists.linuxfoundation.org>> wrote:
> On Tue, Jun 6, 2017 at 10:39 PM, Tao Effect via bitcoin-dev
> <bitcoin-dev@lists.linuxfoundation.org =
<mailto:bitcoin-dev@lists.linuxfoundation.org>> wrote:
> > I believe the severity of replay attacks is going unvoiced and is =
not
> > understood within the bitcoin community because of their lack of =
experience
> > with them.
>=20
> Please don't insult our community-- the issues with replay were
> pointed out by us to Ethereum in advance and were cited specifically
> in prior hardfork discussions long before Ethereum started editing
> their ledger for the economic benefit of its centralized
> administrators.
>=20
> Please don't spread misinformation. Whatever you think of the DAO hard =
fork, it's a simple fact that the Ethereum ledger was not edited.
>=20
> -Nick Johnson
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class=3D"">Nick,<div class=3D""><br class=3D""><blockquote type=3D"cite" =
class=3D""><div dir=3D"ltr" class=3D""><div class=3D"gmail_quote"><div =
class=3D"">Please don't spread misinformation. Whatever you think of the =
DAO hard fork, it's a simple fact that the Ethereum ledger was not =
edited.</div></div></div></blockquote><div class=3D""><div dir=3D"ltr" =
class=3D""><div class=3D"gmail_quote"><div class=3D""><br =
class=3D""></div><div class=3D"">This sort of email is unhelpful to this =
conversation, and it certainly doesn't help with the perception that =
Ethereum is nothing but a bunch of hypocritical Bankers 2.0.</div><div =
class=3D""><br class=3D""></div><div class=3D"">Everyone knows you =
didn't edit Ethereum Classic, but the the hard fork, which was =
re-branded as Ethereum, was edited.</div><div class=3D""><br =
class=3D""></div><div class=3D"">- Greg</div></div></div></div><div =
class=3D"">
<span style=3D"color: rgb(0, 0, 0); font-family: Helvetica; font-size: =
14px; font-style: normal; font-variant-caps: normal; font-weight: =
normal; letter-spacing: normal; text-align: start; text-indent: 0px; =
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0, 0); font-family: Helvetica; font-size: 14px; font-style: normal; =
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normal; word-spacing: 0px; -webkit-text-stroke-width: 0px; =
font-variant-ligatures: normal; font-variant-position: normal; =
font-variant-numeric: normal; font-variant-alternates: normal; =
font-variant-east-asian: normal; line-height: normal; orphans: 2; =
widows: 2;" class=3D""><span style=3D"color: rgb(0, 0, 0); font-family: =
Helvetica; font-size: 14px; font-style: normal; font-variant-caps: =
normal; font-weight: normal; letter-spacing: normal; text-align: start; =
text-indent: 0px; text-transform: none; white-space: normal; =
word-spacing: 0px; -webkit-text-stroke-width: 0px; =
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font-variant-numeric: normal; font-variant-alternates: normal; =
font-variant-east-asian: normal; line-height: normal; orphans: 2; =
widows: 2;" class=3D"">Please do not email me anything that you are not =
comfortable also sharing</span><span style=3D"color: rgb(0, 0, 0); =
font-family: Helvetica; font-size: 14px; font-style: normal; =
font-variant-caps: normal; font-weight: normal; letter-spacing: normal; =
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normal; word-spacing: 0px; -webkit-text-stroke-width: 0px; =
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font-variant-numeric: normal; font-variant-alternates: normal; =
font-variant-east-asian: normal; line-height: normal; orphans: 2; =
widows: 2;" class=3D""> with the NSA.</span>
</div>
<br class=3D""><div><blockquote type=3D"cite" class=3D""><div =
class=3D"">On Jun 7, 2017, at 6:25 AM, Nick Johnson <<a =
href=3D"mailto:nick@ethereum.org" class=3D"">nick@ethereum.org</a>> =
wrote:</div><br class=3D"Apple-interchange-newline"><div class=3D""><div =
dir=3D"ltr" class=3D""><div class=3D"gmail_quote"><div dir=3D"ltr" =
class=3D"">On Wed, Jun 7, 2017 at 12:02 AM Gregory Maxwell via =
bitcoin-dev <<a href=3D"mailto:bitcoin-dev@lists.linuxfoundation.org" =
class=3D"">bitcoin-dev@lists.linuxfoundation.org</a>> wrote:<br =
class=3D""></div><blockquote class=3D"gmail_quote" style=3D"margin:0 0 0 =
.8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex">On Tue, Jun 6, 2017 at =
10:39 PM, Tao Effect via bitcoin-dev<br class=3D"">
<<a href=3D"mailto:bitcoin-dev@lists.linuxfoundation.org" =
target=3D"_blank" class=3D"">bitcoin-dev@lists.linuxfoundation.org</a>>=
wrote:<br class=3D"">
> I believe the severity of replay attacks is going unvoiced and is =
not<br class=3D"">
> understood within the bitcoin community because of their lack of =
experience<br class=3D"">
> with them.<br class=3D"">
<br class=3D"">
Please don't insult our community-- the issues with replay were<br =
class=3D"">
pointed out by us to Ethereum in advance and were cited specifically<br =
class=3D"">
in prior hardfork discussions long before Ethereum started editing<br =
class=3D"">
their ledger for the economic benefit of its centralized<br class=3D"">
administrators.</blockquote><div class=3D""> </div><div =
class=3D"">Please don't spread misinformation. Whatever you think of the =
DAO hard fork, it's a simple fact that the Ethereum ledger was not =
edited.</div><div class=3D""><br class=3D""></div><div class=3D"">-Nick =
Johnson</div></div></div>
</div></blockquote></div><br class=3D""></div></body></html>=
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