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Subject: Re: [bitcoin-dev] BIP 151 use of HMAC_SHA512
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Jonas Schnelli <dev@jonasschnelli.ch> writes:
>> To quote:
>>
>>> HMAC_SHA512(key=ecdh_secret|cipher-type,msg="encryption key").
>>>
>>> K_1 must be the left 32bytes of the HMAC_SHA512 hash.
>>> K_2 must be the right 32bytes of the HMAC_SHA512 hash.
>>
>> This seems a weak reason to introduce SHA512 to the mix. Can we just
>> make:
>>
>> K_1 = HMAC_SHA256(key=ecdh_secret|cipher-type,msg="header encryption key")
>> K_2 = HMAC_SHA256(key=ecdh_secret|cipher-type,msg="body encryption key")
>
> SHA512_HMAC is used by BIP32 [1] and I guess most clients will somehow
> make use of bip32 features. I though a single SHA512_HMAC operation is
> cheaper and simpler then two SHA256_HMAC.
Good point; I would argue that mistake has already been made. But I was
looking at appropriating your work for lightning inter-node comms, and
adding another hash algo seemed unnecessarily painful.
> AFAIK, sha256_hmac is also not used by the current p2p & consensus layer.
> Bitcoin-Core uses it for HTTP RPC auth and Tor control.
It's also not clear to me why the HMAC, vs just
SHA256(key|cipher-type|mesg). But that's probably just my crypto
ignorance...
Thanks!
Rusty.
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